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welcome back to the UFO Rabbit Hole

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podcast I'm your host Kelly Chase

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today we turn our attention to examine

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what may be the most pivotal and

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triumphant moment in human history our

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transition from a terrestrial species to

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a space-faring one the importance of

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that transition is impossible to

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overstate in fact I sometimes wonder if

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those of us who don't remember a time

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before humans first ventured into space

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can truly grasp the profundity of that

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accomplishment

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for the first 3.7 billion years that

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life has existed on this planet humans

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are we assume the only species that has

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ever managed to leave it and I think

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that in many ways we've only just barely

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begun to Grapple with the implications

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of that achievement

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for most of us space is still just an

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idea it's an abstraction but as we

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discussed in the last episode for the

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Intrepid men and women who have made

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that Journey the impact that space

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travel has on humans seems to be

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profound and long lasting on October

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13th 2021 William Shatner a man who has

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certainly spent the better part of his

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life immersed in the concept of human

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space travel got to experience the

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reality of space for the first time

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aboard a blue origin spaceship Upon

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returning to Earth Shatner was visibly

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shaken I hope I never recover from this

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he said through tears I hope I maintain

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what I feel now I don't want to lose it

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there seems to be something almost

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mystical about Humanity's relationship

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to space the ability to not just travel

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into space but to turn around and look

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back at our fragile Planet hanging

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serenely in a near infinite black vacuum

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has already profoundly changed how we

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see ourselves and our place in the

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cosmos

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astronauts have coined the term the

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overview effect to describe the profound

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feeling of interconnectedness the

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results from looking down at the Earth

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from space

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explained the Transcendent experience

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that he had while in space like this

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quote the biggest Joy was on the way

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home in my cockpit window every two

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minutes I saw the Earth the Moon and the

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Sun the whole 360 degree Panorama of the

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heavens and that was a powerful

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overwhelming experience and suddenly I

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realized that the molecules of my body

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and the molecules of the spacecraft and

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the molecules in the body of my partners

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were prototyped manufactured in some

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ancient generation of stars and there

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was an overwhelming sense of Oneness and

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connectedness it wasn't just them and us

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it was that's me it's all of it it's one

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thing and it was accompanied by an

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ecstasy a sense of oh my god wow yes an

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Insight an epiphany end quote and this

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view of the earth doesn't just change

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our awareness of our connection to each

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other but to the greater Cosmos as well

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the ability to travel beyond our own

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Planet allows us to dream of a greater

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shot at the kind of immortality that

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only beings who aren't dependent on any

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one Homeworld could ever hope to enjoy

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so perhaps it's not at all surprising

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that space can Inspire the sort of awe

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and worshipful wonder that we tend to

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associate with the Divine And yet when

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we look at the strange history of

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Humanity's journey to space and the even

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stranger beliefs of the figures critical

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to getting us there there seems to be

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something more at play than just our

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transformative awe at the vastness of

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creation

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because listen there is really no

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non-crazy sounding way to say this so

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I'm just going to go for it the reality

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is that when we look back at the history

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of the early space programs in the

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United States and the Soviet Union many

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of the scientists who were responsible

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for the critical breakthroughs that made

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space travel possible were occultists

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who believed themselves to be in

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telepathic communication with non-human

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intelligent beings who were guiding

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yeah I know it's a lot it sounds so

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outrageous that it would be easy to

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dismiss the whole thing is some crazy

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Fringe Theory except that these people

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existed their beliefs are well

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documented and so are the astonishing

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inventions and innovations that came

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from their alleged contact with these

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and although NASA has very clearly and

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intentionally distanced itself from this

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chapter in its history there is evidence

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that these same sorts of occult

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practices continue to exist at the

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highest levels of the Space Program

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among the people responsible for their

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most bleeding edge breakthroughs

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but before we dive into any of that I

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think it's important that we first take

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a moment to talk about what the occult

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actually is

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from the very beginning of my research

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into this topic it became clear to me

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that the UFO phenomenon was somehow

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inextricably linked to the occult

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wherever you find references to one you

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naturally find references to the other

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and yet although this connection was

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self-evident I'll admit that it took me

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quite a while to put my finger on

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exactly what that connection is and even

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now I feel like I'm only just beginning

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to scratch the surface

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I think that there are a few reasons why

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the concept of the occult is so hard to

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pin down and it's worth taking the time

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to explore them so that we can hopefully

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arrive at a working definition of the

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occult that will allow us to have a more

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nuanced understanding of the strange

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stories regarding the origins of human

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space flight that are to follow one of

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the most significant factors that

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contributes to the confusion around what

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the occult is lies in the fact that it

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has been aggressively stigmatized in our

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culture

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at best dabbling in the occult is

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generally seen as an aesthetic Choice a

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personal branding move that communicates

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something distinct and many would argue

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distinctly anti-social about oneself at

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worst our society regards the occult as

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an intentional alignment with evil

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forces it brings to mind devil worship

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blood drinking and other ritualized

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Horrors and from the Satanic Panic of

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the 1980s through to the modern day

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hysterics of the Q Anon crowd it's clear

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that this fear of the occult and its

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practitioners is alive and well even in

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our aggressively scientific age

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and yes some of the spookier things that

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we associate with the occult are

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relevant to actual occult practices

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however these things are hardly

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representative of the occult as a whole

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the realm of the occult comprises a much

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more nuanced and varied tapestry of

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traditions including the ancient Mystery

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astrology Alchemy secret societies like

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the Freemasons New Age spirituality and

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more when you begin to get a grasp on

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how vast the world of the occult really

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is it becomes obvious that pigeonholing

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the occult is any one set of beliefs or

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practices simply doesn't work

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so what then if anything is the

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connective thread that ties all of these

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disparate traditions and practices

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together what is the occult to really

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begin to Grapple not just with the

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content of this episode but with many of

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the other major themes moving forward we

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need to have a more mature and nuanced

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understanding of what the occult

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actually is

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in a talk on his book occult America

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lauded occult writer Mitch Horowitz gave

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what I think is a pretty solid working

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definition of the occult according to

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Horowitz the occult is the belief that

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there is an invisible Dimension to life

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whose effects can be felt on us and

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through us and this invisible Dimension

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can be searched for outside of any

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individual congregation or religion or

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he's basically saying that the occult

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has two primary defining characteristics

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first you have the belief in dimensions

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and forces that exist beyond the

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Physical Realm and that we have the

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ability to interact with influence and

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in some cases even harness these forces

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the second part is that this invisible

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Dimension can be accessed directly you

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don't need an intermediary in the form

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of religious teachings or leaders to

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interact with it this is a useful

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definition because it both gives us a

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definition of what the occult is and

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also what it is not namely it's not

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religion and the differences between the

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occult and religion are important for us

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oversimplification and there are

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certainly exceptions but in general the

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focus of Western religious Traditions is

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salvation humans are believed to be

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inherently flawed beings that must be

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delivered from the consequences of those

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it is incumbent upon humans to seek

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salvation in a real sense they can never

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truly earn it because no human can ever

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truly be worthy only saved through the

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grace of God by contrast in occult

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traditions and again this is a bit of an

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oversimplification the focus isn't on

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salvation but Ascension in this model

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the human being doesn't need to be saved

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by God but rather only needs to look

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true nature a person comes to Greater

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knowledge of reality as a whole the

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result is some version of Ascension or

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becomes a more perfected or higher

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version of himself or to simplify it

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even further in religion the mechanism

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of Salvation is exterior to the person

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is interior to the person looking at it

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in this way can help us understand not

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just what the occult is but also why it

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has been so stigmatized throughout

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history I want to be really clear that

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I'm not making any claims or judgments

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about the reality of any particular set

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of religious or occult beliefs to be

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honest I don't know what I believe at

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this point and even if I did it's

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antithetical to everything I believe to

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push my beliefs on you but here's a

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quick thought experiment let's say that

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you were the power hungry type who

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wanted to more easily govern and control

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large groups of people which set of

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beliefs would you rather those people

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subscribe drive to would you rather that

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they believe that they were

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fundamentally flawed and can only

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potentially be saved through elaborate

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rules supplications and hierarchies or

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would you rather the people believe that

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they are powerful creative agents each

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of whom carries the spark of the divine

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within them once again I'm not making a

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claim either way on the reality of

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either belief system but it's at least

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important to recognize that there might

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be ulterior motives for the aggressive

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stigmatization of occult beliefs

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and I also think that it's important to

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point out that though there seem to be

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clear cultural battle lines drawn

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between traditional religion and the

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Occult the distinction between the two

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isn't always so black and white in our

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daily lives a cult and Pagan practices

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are often assimilated into religious

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practices and many occultists are not

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above indulging in religiosity

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for example I was raised in the Catholic

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tradition the culmination of the

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Catholic mass involves a ritual in which

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bread and wine are believed to be

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transformed into the literal body and

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blood of Jesus Christ

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the process by which this is done is

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virtually indistinguishable from ritual

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magic it would be impossible to claim

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otherwise and yet it wouldn't be fair or

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accurate to refer to a Catholic priest

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as an occultist when occult and

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religious Traditions collide one

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subsumes the other in a way that makes

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it impossible to tell where one ends and

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the other begins

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so while I think it's important to

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understand the differences between

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religion and the Occult there is an

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extent to which we need to be able to

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collapse those two relatively arbitrary

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labels in order to step back and look at

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the bigger picture

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at the end of the day the occult and

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traditional religions are two sides of

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the same coin they are each attempts to

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Grapple with the most profound and

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mysterious elements of The Human

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Experience and though we try to

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categorize them and wrap them up in neat

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little boxes the reality is when it

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comes to approaching the mystical there

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are as many paths as there are people to

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walk them

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and all of this brings us back to our

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original question which is what does the

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occult have to do with UFOs and I'll be

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honest I'm still not entirely sure how

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to answer that question

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it's easy to point out the various

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places where these two topics overlap

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but when you zoom out and try to look at

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the whole thing to establish any kind of

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a coherent narrative explaining their

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relationship to one another there are no

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easy answers there are some clear

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commonalities however and those are

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worth exploring one of the things that

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they have in common is liminality

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perhaps it's not surprising that the

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concept of liminality has been having a

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bit of a moment online over the last few

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years

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liminality refers to the quality of

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ambiguity or disorientation that occurs

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in the middle stage of a rite of passage

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like entering into the eighth month of a

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pandemic lockdown liminality is all

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about standing on the threshold of

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something uncertain after having gone

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through something harrowing and

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liminality is something that you find

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woven throughout both the occult and

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accounts of the UFO phenomenon first of

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all the communities that are most drawn

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to both of these things have an aspect

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of liminality themselves they tend to be

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Rebels Outsiders weirdos people who

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exist somewhat on the fringes outside of

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the established structure and both deal

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with forces beings and events that can

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seem to be at once there and not there

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real and not real and the ways and

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places in which these forces make

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themselves known have a liminality about

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them as well for example both

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experiencers and occultists might use a

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trance state to contact a higher being

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and anomalous experiences are often

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associated with a hypnagogic state

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between dreaming and waking

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everywhere you look with regard to both

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of these topics you find the same themes

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again and again of boundaries thresholds

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Fringe areas and spaces in between being

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entangled with UFO and paranormal

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phenomena

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and while this might seem vague and a

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bit arbitrary at first blush as we'll

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explore in our next few episodes there

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are several emerging theories of reality

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that might help to explain why this is

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the case another commonality is that

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both UFOs and the Occult deal with

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Hidden Mysteries and the concept of

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Ascension in one form or another in the

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occult these Mysteries are conveyed by

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Divine teachers and the student upon

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understanding these teachings is able to

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ascend

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and in the UFO world the existence of

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technology that exists in a paradigm so

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far beyond our own suggests the

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existence of a higher intelligence a

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higher intelligence that could

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conceivably share their knowledge with

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us and through that knowledge we have

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the potential to become something more

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than simply human but a truly

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space-faring species

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and symbolically the idea of being taken

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up into a craft in the sky has deep

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parallels to Ascension stories and myths

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that can be found throughout sacred

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texts of the past

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another major overlap between UFOs and

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the Occult is the emphasis on PSI

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phenomena which includes things like

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extra sensory perception telepathy

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precognition and psychokinesis in the

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case of the occult many occult practices

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are aimed at harnessing various types of

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Sci phenomena to do things like

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influencing how events unfold gaining

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access to non-local intelligence and

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information and communicating with

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non-human intelligences and in the case

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of UFOs we see many references to this

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kind of Sci phenomena as well many

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people who report experiencing contact

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with these craft and the beings

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associated with them say that the

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communication that they received was

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entirely telepathic and those who seek

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to proactively establish contact with

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UFOs through human-initiated contact

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events or heists use techniques like

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meditation trance States and

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visualization that are similar to occult

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practices aimed at the same types of

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outcomes and while this all might sound

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like a bunch of woo-woo nonsense and

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I'll confess that it did to me when I

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first started down this path there is

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considerable and surprising evidence to

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suggest that PSI phenomena aren't just

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real but they seem to represent a latent

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ability that we all have

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I know that one might be a tough pill to

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swallow we'll dive into it a lot more in

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the next episode but for now just put

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that one on the shelf and we'll get back

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to it another thing that UFOs in the

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occult have in common is that if real

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both UFOs and certain occult practices

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have pretty stunning implications for

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the nature of our reality in fact if

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anything I think that alone is enough to

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consider that UFOs in the occult might

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be related in some meaningful way

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put simply the Paradigm Shift needed for

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us to adequately explain all of the

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weirdness associated with UFOs is so

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massive that it's likely to explain a

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whole bunch of other strange phenomena

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as well maybe it'll give us some insight

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into the occult and SCI phenomena or

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maybe we'll find that they're all

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manifestations of the same thing in the

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next episode we'll get into theories of

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reality that could potentially explain

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how that could be and finally one of the

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most notable things that the UFO

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phenomenon and certain occult and SCI

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phenomena have in common is that though

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the government has both privately and

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publicly led the aggressive

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stigmatization of both it's pretty clear

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that the government believes this stuff

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is real just last week on January 12

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2023 the office of the Director of

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National Intelligence released its long

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overdue report on uaps in this report it

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says that the U.S government has

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received over 350 reports of UFO

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sightings since March 2021 half of which

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remain unexplained and it recommends

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that further resources be deployed to

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study this potential national security

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threat if you haven't read that report

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yet I'll have it linked in the episode

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description and as we'll discuss more in

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the next episode behind closed doors the

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government has also invested

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considerable resources into researching

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and leveraging the kind of Sci

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phenomenon that many would associate

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with the occult including remote viewing

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and astral projection and if you ask me

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that alone makes it worthwhile to

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consider all of these things that we

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might once have scoffed at a little bit

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more closely because if there is

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something that they are trying this hard

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to keep us from exploring while secretly

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spending decades studying it themselves

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I mean don't you want to know why

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there's a much more interesting story to

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be told here and while it's clear that

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many of the most profound secrets about

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these strange phenomena remain concealed

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from us significant and startling parts

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of this story are hiding in plain sight

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and one such story can be found in the

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occult origins of the space race

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when it comes to the story of how

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Humanity first made its way to the Stars

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there's the story that we're told in the

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history books and then there's the truth

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it's often this way with history which

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is not to imply some kind of a

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conspiracy I only mean to say this

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history is not a recounting of The Facts

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of what happened in the past

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history is an interpretation of what

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happened in the past based on the data

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that is available and told through the

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lens of the dominant culture of the day

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the reality of the past is far too vast

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nuanced and intrinsically unknowable to

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ever truly be captured that's not what

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history is rather history is a story

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that is created when we pull forward

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various narrative threads from the past

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and frame them in such a way as to

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extract meaning

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for example the story of how the Cold

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War provided the fuel for the Space Race

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as two superpowers battled for Global

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dominance that's true and the story of

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how the collective will of the American

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people to go to the Moon as President

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Kennedy famously said not because it is

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easy but because it is hard provided the

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impetus for the moon landing Humanity's

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greatest achievement to date that's true

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too or as true as history ever is but

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there is another very different story

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that can be told that is also true

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instead of being a story about

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Collective will this is a story about

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individual Madness instead of the

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Triumph of reason and scientific

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Endeavor it's a tale that shreds the

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very fabric of consensus reality leaving

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us on moored and without a clear

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Foundation

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as the sociologist William Bainbridge

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observed not the public will but private

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fanaticism drove men to the moon and

555
00:20:55,970 --> 00:20:54,360
this story is just as true as the other

556
00:20:57,950 --> 00:20:55,980
scattered throughout The Narrative of

557
00:21:00,230 --> 00:20:57,960
the early Space Race loomed the figures

558
00:21:02,630 --> 00:21:00,240
of men whose pursuit of the mechanisms

559
00:21:05,090 --> 00:21:02,640
of space flight LED them to the very

560
00:21:07,730 --> 00:21:05,100
brink of Madness some of them never to

561
00:21:10,610 --> 00:21:07,740
return and it seems that under every

562
00:21:12,890 --> 00:21:10,620
Rock we find more evidence of deep ties

563
00:21:15,430 --> 00:21:12,900
between Humanity's early space programs

564
00:21:18,470 --> 00:21:15,440
and strange occult beliefs and practices

565
00:21:20,330 --> 00:21:18,480
that's the story that I want to tell and

566
00:21:22,430 --> 00:21:20,340
like so much of the lore involving high

567
00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:22,440
strangeness from the mid-20th century

568
00:21:28,190 --> 00:21:25,200
this story unfortunately has its roots

569
00:21:30,350 --> 00:21:28,200
in Nazi Germany in episode 12 we did a

570
00:21:31,909 --> 00:21:30,360
deep dive into the lore surrounding Nazi

571
00:21:33,470 --> 00:21:31,919
involvement with the occult and the

572
00:21:35,990 --> 00:21:33,480
possibility that it might have led to

573
00:21:37,549 --> 00:21:36,000
breakthroughs in secret technology if

574
00:21:39,049 --> 00:21:37,559
you haven't listened to that one yet I

575
00:21:40,610 --> 00:21:39,059
highly recommend that you do to get the

576
00:21:42,830 --> 00:21:40,620
full context here

577
00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:42,840
to make a long story short near the end

578
00:21:46,909 --> 00:21:44,880
of World War II the Nazis managed to

579
00:21:49,970 --> 00:21:46,919
make some pretty significant advances in

580
00:21:51,590 --> 00:21:49,980
rocket technology in 1942 led by a

581
00:21:54,110 --> 00:21:51,600
brilliant young scientist named Werner

582
00:21:56,510 --> 00:21:54,120
Von Braun Germany developed the world's

583
00:21:59,149 --> 00:21:56,520
first ballistic missile the V2

584
00:22:01,610 --> 00:21:59,159
with a range of 200 miles the V2 could

585
00:22:05,090 --> 00:22:01,620
travel at 3 500 miles per hour while

586
00:22:06,590 --> 00:22:05,100
packing a 2200 pound Warhead the V2 far

587
00:22:08,330 --> 00:22:06,600
surpassed anything that the United

588
00:22:10,430 --> 00:22:08,340
States or the Soviets had in their

589
00:22:12,529 --> 00:22:10,440
arsenals at the time and had it been

590
00:22:14,270 --> 00:22:12,539
rolled out a little sooner it very

591
00:22:17,330 --> 00:22:14,280
easily could have turned the tide of the

592
00:22:19,250 --> 00:22:17,340
war and to this day rumors persist about

593
00:22:21,049 --> 00:22:19,260
how exactly the Nazis managed to

594
00:22:23,149 --> 00:22:21,059
continually beat the United States in

595
00:22:25,070 --> 00:22:23,159
the Soviet Union to the punch on the

596
00:22:27,649 --> 00:22:25,080
development of critical new technologies

597
00:22:30,710 --> 00:22:27,659
and all of these rumors Center on the

598
00:22:32,570 --> 00:22:30,720
involvement of UFOs and the occult some

599
00:22:35,149 --> 00:22:32,580
have speculated that Germany had their

600
00:22:36,770 --> 00:22:35,159
own UFO crash a few years before Roswell

601
00:22:38,450 --> 00:22:36,780
from which they were able to back

602
00:22:40,970 --> 00:22:38,460
engineer several technological

603
00:22:42,529 --> 00:22:40,980
breakthroughs others believed that the

604
00:22:44,810 --> 00:22:42,539
infamous Nazi search for ancient

605
00:22:46,130 --> 00:22:44,820
treasure and mythological relics may

606
00:22:48,649 --> 00:22:46,140
have led them to discover lost

607
00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:48,659
technology and esoteric knowledge that

608
00:22:52,970 --> 00:22:51,120
gave them the advantage and still others

609
00:22:55,070 --> 00:22:52,980
believe that these breakthroughs were

610
00:22:57,770 --> 00:22:55,080
channeled from non-human entities who

611
00:23:00,409 --> 00:22:57,780
were guiding the Nazi scientists as we

612
00:23:01,789 --> 00:23:00,419
discussed in detail in episode 12 it's

613
00:23:04,490 --> 00:23:01,799
hard to know if any of that could

614
00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:04,500
possibly be true but what isn't in doubt

615
00:23:09,049 --> 00:23:06,480
is that the occult was Central to Nazi

616
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:09,059
ideology and so Nazi scientists like

617
00:23:13,549 --> 00:23:11,520
Werner Von Braun would have been steeped

618
00:23:15,470 --> 00:23:13,559
in this culture and would have had to at

619
00:23:17,870 --> 00:23:15,480
least given the outward appearance of

620
00:23:19,370 --> 00:23:17,880
having subscribed to it whether that

621
00:23:21,230 --> 00:23:19,380
means that the occult had anything

622
00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:21,240
tangible to do with their scientific

623
00:23:25,610 --> 00:23:23,280
breakthroughs though is really

624
00:23:27,169 --> 00:23:25,620
impossible to know but it's important to

625
00:23:29,630 --> 00:23:27,179
be aware of this occult influence

626
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:29,640
because of what happened next

627
00:23:33,770 --> 00:23:32,159
as World War II Drew to a close the

628
00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:33,780
seeds of another conflict that would

629
00:23:37,430 --> 00:23:35,280
come to define the geopolitical

630
00:23:39,169 --> 00:23:37,440
landscape for the next four decades had

631
00:23:42,169 --> 00:23:39,179
already been planted and were beginning

632
00:23:44,690 --> 00:23:42,179
to sprout and that conflict was the Cold

633
00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:44,700
War although the U.S and the Soviet

634
00:23:48,710 --> 00:23:46,559
Union had fought alongside one another

635
00:23:51,350 --> 00:23:48,720
in the war as part of the Allied Powers

636
00:23:53,270 --> 00:23:51,360
which also included Great Britain by the

637
00:23:55,789 --> 00:23:53,280
time the war had reached its conclusion

638
00:23:58,669 --> 00:23:55,799
tensions between the two nations were at

639
00:24:00,770 --> 00:23:58,679
an all-time high in The Crucible of War

640
00:24:03,649 --> 00:24:00,780
both Nations had been forged into

641
00:24:06,350 --> 00:24:03,659
formidable Global superpowers and their

642
00:24:08,450 --> 00:24:06,360
diametrically opposed ideologies fed the

643
00:24:10,909 --> 00:24:08,460
Flames of a growing rivalry

644
00:24:14,149 --> 00:24:10,919
at stake was nothing less than global

645
00:24:16,310 --> 00:24:14,159
domination and so as both Nations began

646
00:24:18,169 --> 00:24:16,320
the process of picking over the bones of

647
00:24:20,870 --> 00:24:18,179
what had been Germany's massive war

648
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:20,880
machine both nations were not so

649
00:24:25,789 --> 00:24:23,520
secretly scrambling to claim the experts

650
00:24:27,890 --> 00:24:25,799
and resources that were left behind for

651
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:27,900
their own knowing that if they didn't

652
00:24:32,270 --> 00:24:30,240
those people and resources would end up

653
00:24:34,430 --> 00:24:32,280
in the hands of their rival

654
00:24:36,890 --> 00:24:34,440
of particular interest in both countries

655
00:24:39,169 --> 00:24:36,900
were Nazi scientists engineers and

656
00:24:41,270 --> 00:24:39,179
technicians with specialized knowledge

657
00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:41,280
especially those who had been involved

658
00:24:45,649 --> 00:24:42,960
in the rocketry program that had

659
00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:45,659
developed the V2 and despite the fact

660
00:24:50,750 --> 00:24:47,760
that most of these scientists including

661
00:24:52,850 --> 00:24:50,760
Von Braun were high-ranking SS officers

662
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:52,860
and card-carrying members of the Nazi

663
00:24:57,289 --> 00:24:54,960
party a plan was made by the United

664
00:24:59,149 --> 00:24:57,299
States government to overlook all of

665
00:25:01,430 --> 00:24:59,159
that in return for them coming to the

666
00:25:03,169 --> 00:25:01,440
U.S to continue their work in the

667
00:25:05,750 --> 00:25:03,179
employee of the government

668
00:25:08,210 --> 00:25:05,760
this classified program codenamed

669
00:25:11,210 --> 00:25:08,220
Operation Paperclip brought more than

670
00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:11,220
1600 German scientists and Engineers to

671
00:25:17,270 --> 00:25:15,360
the United States between 1945 and 1959.

672
00:25:20,210 --> 00:25:17,280
for their part the Soviet Union

673
00:25:23,029 --> 00:25:20,220
responded by relocating more than 2 200

674
00:25:27,470 --> 00:25:23,039
German Specialists during one night on

675
00:25:29,510 --> 00:25:27,480
October 22nd 1946 and just like that the

676
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:29,520
space race between the United States and

677
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:31,919
the Soviet Union that came to define the

678
00:25:36,350 --> 00:25:34,080
early Decades of the Cold War had begun

679
00:25:38,450 --> 00:25:36,360
if you find it shocking and disturbing

680
00:25:40,370 --> 00:25:38,460
that the United States gave Refuge to

681
00:25:41,930 --> 00:25:40,380
known Nazis and war criminals who then

682
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:41,940
went on to form the foundation of our

683
00:25:46,789 --> 00:25:45,120
space program you aren't alone it's hard

684
00:25:48,830 --> 00:25:46,799
to deny that this is one of the darkest

685
00:25:50,450 --> 00:25:48,840
chapters in our history it's

686
00:25:52,250 --> 00:25:50,460
particularly disturbing when you

687
00:25:54,710 --> 00:25:52,260
recognize that Von Braun ended up

688
00:25:57,529 --> 00:25:54,720
becoming something of an American Hero

689
00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:57,539
in 1960 Von Braun started working at

690
00:26:01,310 --> 00:25:59,520
Nasa where he served as director of the

691
00:26:04,250 --> 00:26:01,320
newly formed Marshall space flight

692
00:26:06,769 --> 00:26:04,260
center and as the Chief Architect of the

693
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:06,779
Saturn V super heavy lift launch vehicle

694
00:26:10,310 --> 00:26:09,360
that propelled the Apollo spacecraft to

695
00:26:13,610 --> 00:26:10,320
the Moon

696
00:26:15,950 --> 00:26:13,620
in 1967 Von Braun was inducted into the

697
00:26:18,529 --> 00:26:15,960
National Academy of engineering and in

698
00:26:19,549 --> 00:26:18,539
1975 he received the national medal of

699
00:26:21,649 --> 00:26:19,559
science

700
00:26:23,930 --> 00:26:21,659
further he is remembered as both the

701
00:26:25,970 --> 00:26:23,940
father of space travel and the father of

702
00:26:28,010 --> 00:26:25,980
the American lunar program and he

703
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:28,020
appeared in family-friendly Disney films

704
00:26:32,930 --> 00:26:30,480
talking about space and the moon landing

705
00:26:34,850 --> 00:26:32,940
now granted there are those who have

706
00:26:37,010 --> 00:26:34,860
argued that Von Braun only joined the

707
00:26:38,810 --> 00:26:37,020
Nazi party because he was forced and

708
00:26:40,970 --> 00:26:38,820
that if he hadn't joined he likely would

709
00:26:42,769 --> 00:26:40,980
have been killed they argued that he was

710
00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:42,779
just a scientist who was too caught up

711
00:26:46,549 --> 00:26:44,640
in his work to involve himself much in

712
00:26:49,130 --> 00:26:46,559
the machinations of politics and War

713
00:26:51,049 --> 00:26:49,140
however as you'll recall from episode 12

714
00:26:53,870 --> 00:26:51,059
Von Braun was the head of the German

715
00:26:56,930 --> 00:26:53,880
rocketry program which birthed the V2

716
00:26:59,090 --> 00:26:56,940
and this program utilized the brutal

717
00:27:01,850 --> 00:26:59,100
Forest labor of countless prisoners of

718
00:27:04,430 --> 00:27:01,860
the concentration camps at least 10 000

719
00:27:05,570 --> 00:27:04,440
of which died from illness beatings and

720
00:27:07,850 --> 00:27:05,580
starvation

721
00:27:10,130 --> 00:27:07,860
and yet because of his strategic

722
00:27:11,870 --> 00:27:10,140
significance in the Space Race the

723
00:27:14,210 --> 00:27:11,880
United States government was willing to

724
00:27:17,090 --> 00:27:14,220
overlook his clear and unambiguous

725
00:27:20,930 --> 00:27:17,100
involvement in torture slavery and

726
00:27:23,210 --> 00:27:20,940
genocide in 1963 President Truman under

727
00:27:25,789 --> 00:27:23,220
whose leadership Operation Paperclip was

728
00:27:27,409 --> 00:27:25,799
carried out recalled that he was not in

729
00:27:30,409 --> 00:27:27,419
the least reluctant to approve the

730
00:27:33,950 --> 00:27:30,419
program because in his own words quote

731
00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:33,960
this had to be done and was done

732
00:27:43,510 --> 00:27:36,480
a dark chapter indeed

733
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:55,380
thank you

734
00:28:14,810 --> 00:28:12,830
[Music]

735
00:28:16,430 --> 00:28:14,820
and as we look ahead to all of the

736
00:28:18,409 --> 00:28:16,440
occult strangeness that would come to

737
00:28:20,750 --> 00:28:18,419
define the early space programs of the

738
00:28:22,190 --> 00:28:20,760
United States and the Soviet Union it

739
00:28:25,549 --> 00:28:22,200
would be easy to point to this chapter

740
00:28:28,370 --> 00:28:25,559
as the root cause but the truth is much

741
00:28:30,169 --> 00:28:28,380
more complicated the reality is that it

742
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:30,179
wasn't just the German rocketry program

743
00:28:34,370 --> 00:28:32,640
that had ties to the occult despite

744
00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:34,380
having drastically different cultural

745
00:28:38,750 --> 00:28:36,720
backgrounds and contexts some of the

746
00:28:40,970 --> 00:28:38,760
brightest minds and greatest inventors

747
00:28:43,490 --> 00:28:40,980
in both the U.S and the Soviet Union

748
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:43,500
without whose work we almost certainly

749
00:28:47,450 --> 00:28:45,600
wouldn't have made it to the moon were

750
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:47,460
deeply involved in various forms of

751
00:28:52,730 --> 00:28:49,919
occult practice and for many of them

752
00:28:55,250 --> 00:28:52,740
these practices were integral to their

753
00:28:57,110 --> 00:28:55,260
work a perfect example of this could be

754
00:29:00,049 --> 00:28:57,120
found in a man who was actually a

755
00:29:02,810 --> 00:29:00,059
childhood pen pal of Von bronze a man by

756
00:29:04,970 --> 00:29:02,820
the name of Jack Whiteside Parsons

757
00:29:07,970 --> 00:29:04,980
when both men were teenagers in the

758
00:29:09,769 --> 00:29:07,980
1920s the idea of space travel was a

759
00:29:12,590 --> 00:29:09,779
distant fantasy relegated to the world

760
00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:12,600
of science fiction novels Von Braun and

761
00:29:16,370 --> 00:29:14,640
Parsons already had a deep interest in

762
00:29:18,289 --> 00:29:16,380
the subject which led them to strike up

763
00:29:19,549 --> 00:29:18,299
a long-distance friendship which lasted

764
00:29:21,529 --> 00:29:19,559
for years

765
00:29:23,870 --> 00:29:21,539
talking for hours on the phone they

766
00:29:25,549 --> 00:29:23,880
exchanged ideas tips and notes from

767
00:29:27,710 --> 00:29:25,559
experiments on everything from

768
00:29:28,970 --> 00:29:27,720
explosions to home engineered Rocket

769
00:29:32,090 --> 00:29:28,980
Fuel tests

770
00:29:33,889 --> 00:29:32,100
however in 1932 when Von Braun began

771
00:29:36,409 --> 00:29:33,899
working for the German Army just before

772
00:29:38,090 --> 00:29:36,419
the country fell under Nazi rule Parsons

773
00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:38,100
quickly severed ties

774
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:40,320
like Von Braun Parsons childhood

775
00:29:44,810 --> 00:29:42,240
interest in rocketry and space travel

776
00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:44,820
followed him into adulthood it was a

777
00:29:49,310 --> 00:29:46,559
passion that would define his life and

778
00:29:51,470 --> 00:29:49,320
ultimately also his death and like Von

779
00:29:53,690 --> 00:29:51,480
Braun without Parsons contributions to

780
00:29:55,610 --> 00:29:53,700
the field Humanity would not have been

781
00:29:57,889 --> 00:29:55,620
able to make it to the Moon

782
00:29:59,810 --> 00:29:57,899
so why have so few people heard of this

783
00:30:02,450 --> 00:29:59,820
near forgotten forefather of the space

784
00:30:04,549 --> 00:30:02,460
program and why has NASA seemingly

785
00:30:07,610 --> 00:30:04,559
sought to erase his legacy

786
00:30:10,850 --> 00:30:07,620
the answer lies in a bizarre and somehow

787
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:10,860
uniquely American Tale one born in the

788
00:30:15,950 --> 00:30:12,960
affluent outskirts of mid-century Los

789
00:30:19,070 --> 00:30:15,960
Angeles and steeped in a heady mix of

790
00:30:20,570 --> 00:30:19,080
sex drugs rackets and of course the

791
00:30:22,370 --> 00:30:20,580
occult

792
00:30:24,350 --> 00:30:22,380
though when most people think of a

793
00:30:26,330 --> 00:30:24,360
rocket scientist it probably brings to

794
00:30:28,669 --> 00:30:26,340
mind mental images of a brilliant but

795
00:30:31,130 --> 00:30:28,679
Meek type shuffling around in a lab coat

796
00:30:33,950 --> 00:30:31,140
Jack Parsons could not have been more

797
00:30:37,070 --> 00:30:33,960
the opposite rather than a life of quiet

798
00:30:40,130 --> 00:30:37,080
study Parsons life was one of Extreme's

799
00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:40,140
excess and Hedonism I could easily write

800
00:30:45,289 --> 00:30:42,480
an entire book just on Parsons and his

801
00:30:46,669 --> 00:30:45,299
wild Shenanigans but luckily someone

802
00:30:49,370 --> 00:30:46,679
already has

803
00:30:51,289 --> 00:30:49,380
the phenomenal book strange Angel the

804
00:30:54,110 --> 00:30:51,299
otherworldly life of rocket scientist

805
00:30:56,570 --> 00:30:54,120
John Whiteside Parsons by George Pendle

806
00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:56,580
does a great job exploring the many

807
00:31:00,649 --> 00:30:58,320
Strange Tales involving this

808
00:31:02,690 --> 00:31:00,659
controversial and enigmatic character if

809
00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:02,700
you'd like to dive into those further

810
00:31:06,529 --> 00:31:04,799
I couldn't possibly include them all in

811
00:31:08,389 --> 00:31:06,539
this episode but here are some

812
00:31:10,970 --> 00:31:08,399
highlights to give you a taste of what

813
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:10,980
kind of a guy Jack Parsons was

814
00:31:16,190 --> 00:31:13,200
Parsons was born into a wealthy family

815
00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:16,200
and spent his childhood in Pasadena from

816
00:31:20,029 --> 00:31:18,000
a young age he had a voracious interest

817
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:20,039
in science fiction which quickly

818
00:31:24,289 --> 00:31:22,080
developed into an interest in rocketry

819
00:31:26,450 --> 00:31:24,299
and he began doing amateur rocket

820
00:31:28,850 --> 00:31:26,460
experiments with friends from school

821
00:31:30,649 --> 00:31:28,860
but for Parsons this was much more than

822
00:31:32,570 --> 00:31:30,659
just the passing fascination of a

823
00:31:35,029 --> 00:31:32,580
Schoolboy blowing up bottle rockets in

824
00:31:37,490 --> 00:31:35,039
the park it was the seed of a lifelong

825
00:31:39,470 --> 00:31:37,500
passion unfortunately for Parsons when

826
00:31:41,630 --> 00:31:39,480
the Great Depression hit his family lost

827
00:31:43,549 --> 00:31:41,640
most of their Fortune the financial

828
00:31:45,710 --> 00:31:43,559
hardship forced him to drop out of

829
00:31:48,409 --> 00:31:45,720
Pasadena junior college and Stanford

830
00:31:50,810 --> 00:31:48,419
University before completing his degree

831
00:31:52,970 --> 00:31:50,820
however the young rocket scientist was

832
00:31:55,250 --> 00:31:52,980
not to be deterred by lack of access to

833
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:55,260
formal education and continued the

834
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:56,880
rigorous pursuit of his studies and

835
00:32:01,250 --> 00:31:58,320
experiments

836
00:32:03,950 --> 00:32:01,260
in 1934 along with friends Edward S

837
00:32:05,810 --> 00:32:03,960
foreman and Frank Molina he formed the

838
00:32:09,289 --> 00:32:05,820
Caltech Affiliated Guggenheim

839
00:32:12,649 --> 00:32:09,299
aeronautical laboratory or galcit rocket

840
00:32:14,269 --> 00:32:12,659
research group and by 1939 the gaussic

841
00:32:17,090 --> 00:32:14,279
group gained funding from the National

842
00:32:20,029 --> 00:32:17,100
Academy of Sciences to work on jet

843
00:32:22,250 --> 00:32:20,039
assisted takeoff for the U.S military

844
00:32:24,529 --> 00:32:22,260
but just as his professional career was

845
00:32:26,750 --> 00:32:24,539
beginning to take off Parsons began to

846
00:32:29,330 --> 00:32:26,760
turn his attention to new and even more

847
00:32:32,690 --> 00:32:29,340
exotic interests following a brief

848
00:32:34,850 --> 00:32:32,700
flirtation with Marxism in 1939 Parsons

849
00:32:36,289 --> 00:32:34,860
converted to thalima a new religious

850
00:32:38,750 --> 00:32:36,299
movement founded by the English

851
00:32:41,269 --> 00:32:38,760
occultist Aleister Crowley

852
00:32:43,730 --> 00:32:41,279
Crowley's name looms large as one of the

853
00:32:46,370 --> 00:32:43,740
most notorious and influential in 20th

854
00:32:48,889 --> 00:32:46,380
century occultism originally a member of

855
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:48,899
the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn an

856
00:32:53,210 --> 00:32:50,880
occult secret society in the 19th and

857
00:32:54,889 --> 00:32:53,220
20th centuries Crowley claimed to have

858
00:32:56,810 --> 00:32:54,899
channeled the text that would become the

859
00:32:58,789 --> 00:32:56,820
foundation of thalima while on his

860
00:33:02,389 --> 00:32:58,799
honeymoon in Cairo with his first wife

861
00:33:04,370 --> 00:33:02,399
Rose in 1904. the honeymoon started as

862
00:33:06,710 --> 00:33:04,380
most honeymoons do with the bride and

863
00:33:09,529 --> 00:33:06,720
groom arriving in Egypt and fraudulently

864
00:33:11,389 --> 00:33:09,539
claiming to be a prince and princess the

865
00:33:13,070 --> 00:33:11,399
newly self-minted Royals rented an

866
00:33:15,470 --> 00:33:13,080
apartment where they proceeded to set up

867
00:33:17,450 --> 00:33:15,480
a temple room where Crowley began to

868
00:33:18,649 --> 00:33:17,460
perform rituals to invoke Egyptian

869
00:33:20,990 --> 00:33:18,659
deities

870
00:33:22,730 --> 00:33:21,000
during these rituals Rose was said to

871
00:33:25,490 --> 00:33:22,740
have become delirious and repeatedly

872
00:33:27,710 --> 00:33:25,500
told Crowley they're waiting for you

873
00:33:31,310 --> 00:33:27,720
according to Crowley's later accounts a

874
00:33:33,529 --> 00:33:31,320
few days later on April 8 1904 he heard

875
00:33:35,690 --> 00:33:33,539
a disembodied voice claiming to be a

876
00:33:37,970 --> 00:33:35,700
messenger of the Egyptian god Horus

877
00:33:40,070 --> 00:33:37,980
whose name was I was

878
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:40,080
The Voice spoke to Crowley for three

879
00:33:44,990 --> 00:33:42,480
days as Crowley feverishly copied down

880
00:33:46,970 --> 00:33:45,000
everything that it told him resulting in

881
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:46,980
the text that became known as the book

882
00:33:51,830 --> 00:33:49,679
of the law this book and the philosophy

883
00:33:54,590 --> 00:33:51,840
that it espoused became the Cornerstone

884
00:33:56,810 --> 00:33:54,600
of Crowley's religion felima the book

885
00:33:59,210 --> 00:33:56,820
proclaimed that Humanity was entering a

886
00:34:01,850 --> 00:33:59,220
new Eon and that Crowley would serve as

887
00:34:04,190 --> 00:34:01,860
its prophet it stated that a supreme

888
00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:04,200
moral law was to be introduced in this

889
00:34:09,290 --> 00:34:07,200
Eon which was embodied in the words do

890
00:34:11,810 --> 00:34:09,300
what thou Wilt shall be the whole of the

891
00:34:13,550 --> 00:34:11,820
law now even if you aren't familiar with

892
00:34:15,230 --> 00:34:13,560
Crowley just based on what I've already

893
00:34:16,970 --> 00:34:15,240
told you you're probably getting the

894
00:34:19,730 --> 00:34:16,980
sense that this phrase is representative

895
00:34:22,070 --> 00:34:19,740
of an anarchistic and even anti-social

896
00:34:24,050 --> 00:34:22,080
worldview in which one is encouraged to

897
00:34:26,210 --> 00:34:24,060
do basically whatever one wants

898
00:34:28,849 --> 00:34:26,220
regardless of the consequences

899
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:28,859
and as we'll see Crowley and many of his

900
00:34:33,169 --> 00:34:30,720
followers including Jack Parsons

901
00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:33,179
certainly seem to live by that Axiom

902
00:34:37,490 --> 00:34:35,760
Crowley was popularly known as the

903
00:34:39,889 --> 00:34:37,500
wickedest man in the world in his time

904
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:39,899
and it was an image that he both earned

905
00:34:44,329 --> 00:34:42,000
and embraced with exuberance

906
00:34:46,129 --> 00:34:44,339
however In fairness I think it's

907
00:34:47,869 --> 00:34:46,139
important to point out that that isn't

908
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:47,879
exactly how it's presented in the book

909
00:34:52,609 --> 00:34:50,399
of the law do what thou Wilt shall be

910
00:34:53,930 --> 00:34:52,619
the whole of the law isn't necessarily

911
00:34:56,629 --> 00:34:53,940
meant to imply that you should do

912
00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:56,639
whatever you want rather it is referring

913
00:35:01,730 --> 00:34:59,280
to the thalamic concept of the true will

914
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:01,740
which is entirely distinct from the

915
00:35:07,010 --> 00:35:05,040
wants and desires of the ego one's true

916
00:35:09,050 --> 00:35:07,020
will can be thought of as one's true

917
00:35:11,930 --> 00:35:09,060
purpose or calling in life

918
00:35:14,930 --> 00:35:11,940
so do what thou Wilt isn't a call for

919
00:35:17,150 --> 00:35:14,940
Hedonism but rather to move oneself into

920
00:35:18,170 --> 00:35:17,160
alignment with one's true Essence and

921
00:35:20,930 --> 00:35:18,180
purpose

922
00:35:22,730 --> 00:35:20,940
for Crowley however Hedonism seemed to

923
00:35:24,829 --> 00:35:22,740
be part and parcel of his approach to

924
00:35:27,170 --> 00:35:24,839
the occult and his drive to be

925
00:35:29,089 --> 00:35:27,180
unfettered by rules and limitations seem

926
00:35:30,109 --> 00:35:29,099
to extend even to his own religious

927
00:35:32,089 --> 00:35:30,119
movement

928
00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:32,099
Crowley wasn't even initially sure what

929
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:34,320
to do with the book of the law and was

930
00:35:38,210 --> 00:35:36,240
said to have often felt resentment for

931
00:35:40,010 --> 00:35:38,220
it and although the texts that he

932
00:35:42,530 --> 00:35:40,020
claimed to have channeled commanded him

933
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:42,540
to do a series of tasks including

934
00:35:47,450 --> 00:35:44,640
stealing a particular Egyptian artifact

935
00:35:49,790 --> 00:35:47,460
from a museum buying and fortifying his

936
00:35:51,290 --> 00:35:49,800
own Island and translating the book of

937
00:35:53,930 --> 00:35:51,300
the law into all of the world's

938
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:53,940
languages he ignored all of these

939
00:35:57,290 --> 00:35:55,200
mandates

940
00:35:59,329 --> 00:35:57,300
and certainly Hedonism had come to be

941
00:36:00,829 --> 00:35:59,339
the center of Crowley's practice at the

942
00:36:02,030 --> 00:36:00,839
time that he came into contact with Jack

943
00:36:07,730 --> 00:36:02,040
Parsons

944
00:36:10,250 --> 00:36:07,740
1939 and became fascinated with the Lima

945
00:36:12,770 --> 00:36:10,260
he immersed himself in Crowley's work

946
00:36:15,050 --> 00:36:12,780
and became convinced that thalamic magic

947
00:36:16,430 --> 00:36:15,060
was real and that it was a force that

948
00:36:17,690 --> 00:36:16,440
could be explained through quantum

949
00:36:21,290 --> 00:36:17,700
mechanics

950
00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:21,300
by 1941 Jack and his wife Helen Northrup

951
00:36:25,910 --> 00:36:23,760
joined the famed Agape Lodge which was

952
00:36:30,650 --> 00:36:25,920
the Californian branch of the thalamite

953
00:36:33,050 --> 00:36:30,660
Ordo templey orientus or Oto and in 1942

954
00:36:34,910 --> 00:36:33,060
Aleister Crowley who publicly recognized

955
00:36:37,010 --> 00:36:34,920
Jack Parsons as being one of the most

956
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:37,020
important of his followers and a

957
00:36:42,170 --> 00:36:39,599
possible successor pushed for Parsons to

958
00:36:44,109 --> 00:36:42,180
become leader of the lodge replacing its

959
00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:44,119
former leader Wilfred Talbot Smith

960
00:36:48,530 --> 00:36:46,560
Parsons began to run the lodge from his

961
00:36:51,530 --> 00:36:48,540
mansion on Orange Grove Boulevard in

962
00:36:54,770 --> 00:36:51,540
Pasadena kicking off an absolutely wild

963
00:36:56,569 --> 00:36:54,780
series of events Parsons promptly began

964
00:36:59,270 --> 00:36:56,579
a sexual relationship with his wife

965
00:37:01,190 --> 00:36:59,280
Helen's 17 year old sister Sarah who

966
00:37:04,190 --> 00:37:01,200
then declared herself to be Parsons new

967
00:37:06,109 --> 00:37:04,200
wife devastated by this news Helen

968
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:06,119
sought comfort with the Agape Lodge's

969
00:37:11,030 --> 00:37:09,119
former leader Wilfred Talbot Smith the

970
00:37:12,829 --> 00:37:11,040
four of them remarkably remained friends

971
00:37:14,810 --> 00:37:12,839
and moved into Parsons Mansion together

972
00:37:16,430 --> 00:37:14,820
with a handful of other dedicated

973
00:37:19,010 --> 00:37:16,440
followers

974
00:37:22,370 --> 00:37:19,020
Parsons home became a hub of bizarre and

975
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:22,380
frenetic activity at once a commune an

976
00:37:26,329 --> 00:37:24,960
occult Lodge a chemical laboratory and a

977
00:37:29,030 --> 00:37:26,339
salon for some of the top science

978
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:29,040
fiction writers of the day daily life on

979
00:37:33,890 --> 00:37:31,200
Orange Grove Boulevard was chaotic to

980
00:37:35,690 --> 00:37:33,900
say the least and his affluent Pasadena

981
00:37:38,510 --> 00:37:35,700
neighbors as I'm sure you can imagine

982
00:37:40,370 --> 00:37:38,520
were not amused after multiple

983
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:40,380
allegations of the home being the site

984
00:37:45,410 --> 00:37:42,960
of a black magic cult allegations which

985
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:45,420
were to be fair more or less true both

986
00:37:50,930 --> 00:37:47,520
the Pasadena Police Department and the

987
00:37:52,730 --> 00:37:50,940
FBI opened investigations into the lodge

988
00:37:54,290 --> 00:37:52,740
although they failed to find evidence

989
00:37:56,510 --> 00:37:54,300
that the lodge was a threat to National

990
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:56,520
Security the Mansion was still

991
00:38:01,910 --> 00:37:59,040
undoubtedly the site of all manner of

992
00:38:04,010 --> 00:38:01,920
immoral and illegal activity for his

993
00:38:05,630 --> 00:38:04,020
part Parsons at this point had fallen

994
00:38:08,030 --> 00:38:05,640
deep into a well of debauchery and

995
00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:08,040
self-destruction having long been a

996
00:38:12,589 --> 00:38:10,560
heavy user of alcohol and marijuana he

997
00:38:14,990 --> 00:38:12,599
had begun to habitually use cocaine

998
00:38:16,750 --> 00:38:15,000
amphetamines peyote mescaline and

999
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:16,760
opiates as well

1000
00:38:21,109 --> 00:38:18,720
unsurprisingly in light of his

1001
00:38:23,210 --> 00:38:21,119
extracurricular activities Parsons work

1002
00:38:26,150 --> 00:38:23,220
began to suffer and he began to show up

1003
00:38:28,130 --> 00:38:26,160
to work hungover and out of sorts that

1004
00:38:30,890 --> 00:38:28,140
paired with his increasingly eccentric

1005
00:38:33,349 --> 00:38:30,900
Behavior his deteriorating reputation in

1006
00:38:35,870 --> 00:38:33,359
the community his alleged complete lack

1007
00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:35,880
of regard for workplace safety and his

1008
00:38:39,410 --> 00:38:37,680
propensity for sleeping with literally

1009
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:39,420
whomever he wanted including the

1010
00:38:43,609 --> 00:38:40,800
partners of his colleagues and Friends

1011
00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:43,619
led to Parsons being expelled from JPL

1012
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:47,760
and aerojet in 1944. from there things

1013
00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:50,400
only got more bizarre for Parsons he

1014
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:52,800
began to rent rooms to non-thalamites at

1015
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:54,480
his Mansion which had become known as

1016
00:38:59,630 --> 00:38:57,119
the parsonage he placed ads in the local

1017
00:39:02,630 --> 00:38:59,640
paper specifying that quote only

1018
00:39:04,970 --> 00:39:02,640
Bohemians artists musicians atheists

1019
00:39:07,370 --> 00:39:04,980
anarchists or any other exotic types

1020
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:07,380
need apply it was around this time that

1021
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:09,359
U.S Navy officer and science fiction

1022
00:39:14,690 --> 00:39:11,760
writer L Ron Hubbard moved into the

1023
00:39:16,430 --> 00:39:14,700
parsonage yes that elrond Hubbard

1024
00:39:19,130 --> 00:39:16,440
Hubbard and Parsons quickly became

1025
00:39:20,810 --> 00:39:19,140
became Fast Friends Parsons was so taken

1026
00:39:22,910 --> 00:39:20,820
with Hubbard that he soon wrote to

1027
00:39:25,970 --> 00:39:22,920
Crowley that although Hubbard had quote

1028
00:39:27,829 --> 00:39:25,980
no formal training in Magic he has an

1029
00:39:30,109 --> 00:39:27,839
extraordinary amount of experience and

1030
00:39:32,569 --> 00:39:30,119
understanding in the field from some of

1031
00:39:35,450 --> 00:39:32,579
his experiences I deduce he is in direct

1032
00:39:37,310 --> 00:39:35,460
touch with some higher intelligence he

1033
00:39:39,710 --> 00:39:37,320
is the most thalamic person I have ever

1034
00:39:41,569 --> 00:39:39,720
met and is in complete Accord with our

1035
00:39:43,970 --> 00:39:41,579
own principles unquote

1036
00:39:45,589 --> 00:39:43,980
and as these principles included an

1037
00:39:48,410 --> 00:39:45,599
anarchist approach to sex and

1038
00:39:50,329 --> 00:39:48,420
relationships Parson's wife Sarah soon

1039
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:50,339
found herself deeply enamored with

1040
00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:52,800
Hubbard which in turn caused Parsons to

1041
00:39:57,170 --> 00:39:54,720
become intensely jealous

1042
00:39:59,210 --> 00:39:57,180
he decided to overcome his jealousy and

1043
00:40:01,730 --> 00:39:59,220
seek a new partner through occult means

1044
00:40:04,430 --> 00:40:01,740
which involved an elaborate Sex Magic

1045
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:04,440
Ritual in the Mojave Desert in which he

1046
00:40:07,790 --> 00:40:06,480
included Hubbard despite his jealousy

1047
00:40:09,530 --> 00:40:07,800
because he believed him to be

1048
00:40:10,970 --> 00:40:09,540
particularly sensitive to magical

1049
00:40:12,950 --> 00:40:10,980
phenomena

1050
00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:12,960
when he returned home after this ritual

1051
00:40:17,810 --> 00:40:15,599
he met a woman named Marjorie Cameron

1052
00:40:20,089 --> 00:40:17,820
who was visiting the parsonage and he

1053
00:40:22,310 --> 00:40:20,099
became convinced that she was The

1054
00:40:24,290 --> 00:40:22,320
Elemental Woman in manifestation of

1055
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:24,300
Babylon that he had invoked through his

1056
00:40:27,829 --> 00:40:26,400
ritual in the desert and began a

1057
00:40:29,569 --> 00:40:27,839
relationship with her

1058
00:40:31,730 --> 00:40:29,579
he eventually had a falling out with

1059
00:40:33,589 --> 00:40:31,740
Hubbard and Sarah as the result of some

1060
00:40:35,150 --> 00:40:33,599
shady business dealings

1061
00:40:37,790 --> 00:40:35,160
the three of them started a company

1062
00:40:40,010 --> 00:40:37,800
together called Allied Enterprises and

1063
00:40:42,170 --> 00:40:40,020
Parsons had invested his life savings of

1064
00:40:43,849 --> 00:40:42,180
around twenty thousand dollars the

1065
00:40:46,670 --> 00:40:43,859
equivalent of three hundred thousand

1066
00:40:48,349 --> 00:40:46,680
dollars today into the Venture Hubbard

1067
00:40:50,510 --> 00:40:48,359
convinced Parsons that they should use

1068
00:40:52,130 --> 00:40:50,520
that money to travel to Miami to

1069
00:40:54,530 --> 00:40:52,140
purchase three Yachts which they would

1070
00:40:56,510 --> 00:40:54,540
then sail through the Panama Canal and

1071
00:40:59,390 --> 00:40:56,520
sell on the west coast for a profit

1072
00:41:01,430 --> 00:40:59,400
after being convinced by Crowley that

1073
00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:01,440
Hubbard had defrauded him Parsons

1074
00:41:04,970 --> 00:41:03,119
tracked the couple down in Miami Beach

1075
00:41:07,849 --> 00:41:04,980
where he discovered them with all three

1076
00:41:09,890 --> 00:41:07,859
yachts Hubbard and Sarah tried to flee

1077
00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:09,900
on one of the Yachts but whether it was

1078
00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:12,240
an act of magic or simply a striking

1079
00:41:16,910 --> 00:41:14,880
coincidence after Parsons performed a

1080
00:41:20,089 --> 00:41:16,920
ritual containing an invocation of

1081
00:41:22,130 --> 00:41:20,099
bartzabel a vengeful Spirit of Mars the

1082
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:22,140
couple was hit with a Squall and forced

1083
00:41:26,030 --> 00:41:23,760
to return to Port

1084
00:41:27,890 --> 00:41:26,040
Allied Enterprises was dissolved and

1085
00:41:30,050 --> 00:41:27,900
Parsons eventually won a settlement in

1086
00:41:33,290 --> 00:41:30,060
court requiring Hubbard to reimburse him

1087
00:41:34,970 --> 00:41:33,300
however after the trial Parsons decided

1088
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:34,980
not to take any further action to

1089
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:37,200
collect the money after Sarah threatened

1090
00:41:41,270 --> 00:41:40,079
to report him for statutory rape charges

1091
00:41:42,770 --> 00:41:41,280
that she almost certainly could have

1092
00:41:44,450 --> 00:41:42,780
made stick considering that their

1093
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:44,460
relationship had begun when she was

1094
00:41:48,770 --> 00:41:46,800
still a minor Hubbard went on to marry

1095
00:41:50,750 --> 00:41:48,780
Sarah despite still being married to his

1096
00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:50,760
first wife and eventually founded

1097
00:41:55,670 --> 00:41:53,280
Dianetics and Scientology

1098
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:55,680
like I said I could literally fill a

1099
00:42:00,050 --> 00:41:57,599
book with dozens more equally crazy

1100
00:42:01,490 --> 00:42:00,060
Tales from the life of Jack Parsons but

1101
00:42:03,890 --> 00:42:01,500
we don't have time to get into all of

1102
00:42:05,690 --> 00:42:03,900
that today but suffice it to say that

1103
00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:05,700
his life didn't get less weird after

1104
00:42:09,770 --> 00:42:07,920
that and perhaps it's not surprising

1105
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:09,780
that someone who packed so much life

1106
00:42:14,930 --> 00:42:12,240
into such a short period of time would

1107
00:42:17,870 --> 00:42:14,940
meet his end sooner than expected

1108
00:42:19,970 --> 00:42:17,880
by 1952 Parsons had lost his clearance

1109
00:42:21,470 --> 00:42:19,980
with the FBI effectively stopping him

1110
00:42:23,810 --> 00:42:21,480
from being able to continue his career

1111
00:42:25,490 --> 00:42:23,820
in rocketry to make a living He founded

1112
00:42:26,930 --> 00:42:25,500
the Parsons chemical manufacturing

1113
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:26,940
company which was based in North

1114
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:29,520
Hollywood and created pyrotechnics and

1115
00:42:33,230 --> 00:42:31,440
explosives such as fog effects and

1116
00:42:37,550 --> 00:42:33,240
imitation gunshot wounds for the film

1117
00:42:39,890 --> 00:42:37,560
industry on June 17 1952 Parsons

1118
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:39,900
received a rush order of explosives for

1119
00:42:44,329 --> 00:42:42,000
a film set a day before he was set to

1120
00:42:46,910 --> 00:42:44,339
depart on a trip he rushed To Begin work

1121
00:42:49,609 --> 00:42:46,920
on it in his home laboratory soon after

1122
00:42:52,010 --> 00:42:49,619
an explosion destroyed the lower part of

1123
00:42:54,650 --> 00:42:52,020
the building Parsons was found still

1124
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:54,660
alive but horrifically wounded and he

1125
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:56,160
died a short time later

1126
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:58,560
he was 37 years old

1127
00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:00,960
the investigation by the Pasadena Police

1128
00:43:04,970 --> 00:43:02,880
Department concluded that Parsons had

1129
00:43:06,530 --> 00:43:04,980
been mixing fulminate of mercury in a

1130
00:43:08,809 --> 00:43:06,540
coffee can when he dropped it on the

1131
00:43:10,970 --> 00:43:08,819
floor causing the initial explosion

1132
00:43:12,770 --> 00:43:10,980
which quickly escalated when it came

1133
00:43:14,750 --> 00:43:12,780
into contact with the other chemicals in

1134
00:43:16,370 --> 00:43:14,760
the room while some of his colleagues

1135
00:43:17,750 --> 00:43:16,380
thought that this explanation was likely

1136
00:43:20,329 --> 00:43:17,760
given some of his more Reckless

1137
00:43:22,430 --> 00:43:20,339
Tendencies others weren't convinced that

1138
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:22,440
the explosion was an accident

1139
00:43:25,849 --> 00:43:24,000
some thought that there was evidence

1140
00:43:27,650 --> 00:43:25,859
that the explosion came from under the

1141
00:43:29,450 --> 00:43:27,660
floor where he was standing indicating

1142
00:43:31,270 --> 00:43:29,460
that his death may have been Foul Play

1143
00:43:33,650 --> 00:43:31,280
perhaps on the part of the government

1144
00:43:36,410 --> 00:43:33,660
and as if this story didn't have enough

1145
00:43:38,930 --> 00:43:36,420
notorious mid-century megalomaniacs in

1146
00:43:40,910 --> 00:43:38,940
it one of the other parties suspected of

1147
00:43:43,370 --> 00:43:40,920
having been behind the plot was none

1148
00:43:45,410 --> 00:43:43,380
other than Howard Hughes who apparently

1149
00:43:47,809 --> 00:43:45,420
suspected Parsons of having stolen

1150
00:43:50,809 --> 00:43:47,819
sensitive documents from his company

1151
00:43:52,430 --> 00:43:50,819
there was other speculation as well some

1152
00:43:54,829 --> 00:43:52,440
thought that Parsons had killed himself

1153
00:43:57,230 --> 00:43:54,839
intentionally still others thought that

1154
00:43:59,390 --> 00:43:57,240
he had died while working a ritual to

1155
00:44:00,770 --> 00:43:59,400
this day his death has never been fully

1156
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:00,780
explained

1157
00:44:06,410 --> 00:44:03,359
the legacy of Jack Parsons might be a

1158
00:44:08,210 --> 00:44:06,420
complicated one but it's not ambiguous

1159
00:44:10,609 --> 00:44:08,220
whatever his personal habits and

1160
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:10,619
proclivities it's impossible to deny

1161
00:44:14,569 --> 00:44:12,480
that his contributions to the field of

1162
00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:14,579
rocket science were extraordinary

1163
00:44:19,849 --> 00:44:17,040
among many other notable accomplishments

1164
00:44:22,130 --> 00:44:19,859
he helped invent not only the solid fuel

1165
00:44:24,950 --> 00:44:22,140
rocket but he was also a Pioneer

1166
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:24,960
developer of jet assisted takeoff both

1167
00:44:28,730 --> 00:44:26,640
of which were innovations that were key

1168
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:28,740
to our eventual Journey to the Moon

1169
00:44:33,530 --> 00:44:31,200
and in a certain sense it would be easy

1170
00:44:35,150 --> 00:44:33,540
to Simply write Jack Parsons off as a

1171
00:44:37,490 --> 00:44:35,160
brilliant guy who fell in with the wrong

1172
00:44:40,010 --> 00:44:37,500
crowd partied a little too hard and flew

1173
00:44:41,870 --> 00:44:40,020
a little too close to the sun it's a

1174
00:44:44,030 --> 00:44:41,880
tidy unchallenging narrative that would

1175
00:44:45,650 --> 00:44:44,040
allow us to separate out his genius from

1176
00:44:46,849 --> 00:44:45,660
the parts of the story that are less

1177
00:44:48,650 --> 00:44:46,859
convenient

1178
00:44:51,170 --> 00:44:48,660
but it would also require that we

1179
00:44:53,290 --> 00:44:51,180
entirely ignore Parsons own perceptions

1180
00:44:56,450 --> 00:44:53,300
about his work and his occult practice

1181
00:44:58,849 --> 00:44:56,460
because to Parsons these things weren't

1182
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:58,859
separate they were two sides of the same

1183
00:45:03,589 --> 00:45:01,440
coin like the science fiction that he

1184
00:45:05,390 --> 00:45:03,599
loved so dearly the things that occupied

1185
00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:05,400
his attention were all just different

1186
00:45:09,890 --> 00:45:07,920
modalities for both exploring the cosmos

1187
00:45:11,150 --> 00:45:09,900
and plumbing the depths of his own

1188
00:45:13,309 --> 00:45:11,160
potential

1189
00:45:15,710 --> 00:45:13,319
so what should we make of Parsons

1190
00:45:17,569 --> 00:45:15,720
there's a certain kind of Genius that

1191
00:45:19,730 --> 00:45:17,579
looks like Madness but does that mean

1192
00:45:21,770 --> 00:45:19,740
that Jack Parsons was crazy

1193
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:21,780
quantum mechanics certainly seems to

1194
00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:24,000
imply an intrinsic subjectivity to our

1195
00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:26,400
reality could what we think of as magic

1196
00:45:30,530 --> 00:45:28,560
be a set of practices that can allow one

1197
00:45:32,990 --> 00:45:30,540
to better harness our inborn ability to

1198
00:45:35,690 --> 00:45:33,000
shape events and outcomes I don't know

1199
00:45:37,970 --> 00:45:35,700
but during rocket tests Parsons was

1200
00:45:41,210 --> 00:45:37,980
known to ecstatically recite Crowley's

1201
00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:41,220
poem him to pan a Greek god associated

1202
00:45:46,609 --> 00:45:43,920
with nature fertility music sexuality

1203
00:45:48,890 --> 00:45:46,619
and fear in a style that his colleagues

1204
00:45:49,730 --> 00:45:48,900
compared to the fiery preaching of Billy

1205
00:45:52,370 --> 00:45:49,740
Graham

1206
00:45:55,130 --> 00:45:52,380
the words of Crowley's poem are powerful

1207
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:55,140
and evocative and I found myself taken

1208
00:45:59,930 --> 00:45:56,880
with the image of the dark-haired young

1209
00:46:02,329 --> 00:45:59,940
scientist out in the desert summoning a

1210
00:46:04,370 --> 00:46:02,339
long dead god with a combustible hubris

1211
00:46:07,730 --> 00:46:04,380
strong enough to Rend the very heavens

1212
00:46:09,770 --> 00:46:07,740
in two in his quest for the Stars

1213
00:46:11,569 --> 00:46:09,780
I found this incredible rendition of the

1214
00:46:13,550 --> 00:46:11,579
him to pan on the son of a priest

1215
00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:13,560
YouTube channel which I will link to in

1216
00:46:16,970 --> 00:46:15,359
the episode description the Channel's

1217
00:46:22,130 --> 00:46:16,980
owner was kind enough to let me share it

1218
00:46:30,530 --> 00:46:25,970
thrill with lysome lust of the light oh

1219
00:46:32,470 --> 00:46:30,540
man my man come careering out of the

1220
00:46:38,569 --> 00:46:32,480
night of pan

1221
00:46:42,349 --> 00:46:38,579
Johan Johan Johan come over the sea from

1222
00:46:46,010 --> 00:46:42,359
Sicily and from arkady roaming as Backus

1223
00:46:49,730 --> 00:46:46,020
with thorns and pads and nymphs and

1224
00:46:53,930 --> 00:46:49,740
satiers for thy Gods on a milk-white ass

1225
00:46:57,130 --> 00:46:53,940
come over the sea to me to me

1226
00:47:01,190 --> 00:46:57,140
come with Apollo in bridal dress

1227
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:01,200
shepherdes and python s come with

1228
00:47:08,210 --> 00:47:05,040
Artemis silken shot and washed thy white

1229
00:47:11,569 --> 00:47:08,220
thy beautiful God in the moon of the

1230
00:47:14,750 --> 00:47:11,579
woods on the marble Mount the dimpled

1231
00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:14,760
dawn of the Amber Amber fount

1232
00:47:18,829 --> 00:47:15,839
the purple

1233
00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:18,839
passionate prayer in the Crimson Shrine

1234
00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:23,040
the Scarlet snare the soul that startles

1235
00:47:30,410 --> 00:47:26,880
in eyes of blue to watch thy wantonness

1236
00:47:33,950 --> 00:47:30,420
weeping through the Tangled Grove the

1237
00:47:38,809 --> 00:47:33,960
gnarled bowl of the living tree that is

1238
00:47:44,750 --> 00:47:38,819
spirit and soul and oddy and brain come

1239
00:47:50,569 --> 00:47:44,760
over the sea yopan yopan devil or God to

1240
00:47:53,930 --> 00:47:50,579
me to me my man my man come with

1241
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:53,940
trumpets sounding shrill over the hill

1242
00:48:09,410 --> 00:47:55,440
come

1243
00:48:12,829 --> 00:48:09,420
ripe I who wait and writhe and wrestle

1244
00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:12,839
with air that hath no boughs to Nestle

1245
00:48:21,010 --> 00:48:17,040
my body weary of Empty Glass strong as a

1246
00:48:27,770 --> 00:48:21,020
lion and sharp as an asp of

1247
00:48:31,790 --> 00:48:27,780
oh come I am numb with a lonely lust of

1248
00:48:36,069 --> 00:48:31,800
devil dumb thrust the sword through the

1249
00:48:40,550 --> 00:48:36,079
galling Fetter all Devourer

1250
00:48:44,750 --> 00:48:40,560
give me the sign of the Open Eye and the

1251
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:44,760
token erects of thorny thigh and the

1252
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:55,690
yo

1253
00:49:05,060 --> 00:49:00,109
I am

1254
00:49:08,349 --> 00:49:05,070
[Applause]

1255
00:49:14,089 --> 00:49:10,430
I am awake

1256
00:49:17,930 --> 00:49:14,099
the grip of the snake the eagle slashes

1257
00:49:25,780 --> 00:49:17,940
with Beacon claw the dots withdraw the

1258
00:49:34,970 --> 00:49:27,740
[Applause]

1259
00:49:41,569 --> 00:49:38,329
flock I am gold I

1260
00:49:43,609 --> 00:49:41,579
flesh to thy bone flower to thy rod with

1261
00:49:46,190 --> 00:49:43,619
Hooves and steel mine breaks on the

1262
00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:46,200
rocks through Solstice stubborn to

1263
00:49:50,050 --> 00:49:47,760
Equinox

1264
00:49:53,410 --> 00:49:50,060
and I

1265
00:49:58,490 --> 00:49:53,420
rent Everlasting World Without End

1266
00:50:03,420 --> 00:49:58,500
mannequin Maiden mad man in the might of

1267
00:50:03,430 --> 00:50:07,630
[Applause]

1268
00:50:25,010 --> 00:50:10,010
[Music]

1269
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:27,890
in many ways Jack Parsons represents a

1270
00:50:31,329 --> 00:50:29,520
distinctly American approach to the

1271
00:50:33,410 --> 00:50:31,339
occult one that is fiercely

1272
00:50:35,329 --> 00:50:33,420
individualistic and steeped in the punk

1273
00:50:37,790 --> 00:50:35,339
rock values of sex drugs and rock and

1274
00:50:39,650 --> 00:50:37,800
roll meanwhile on the other side of the

1275
00:50:41,089 --> 00:50:39,660
world occultists were also deeply

1276
00:50:43,790 --> 00:50:41,099
involved in shaping the early Space

1277
00:50:45,290 --> 00:50:43,800
Program of the Soviet Union but as you

1278
00:50:47,329 --> 00:50:45,300
might imagine the vastly different

1279
00:50:49,309 --> 00:50:47,339
cultural context in which it emerged

1280
00:50:51,410 --> 00:50:49,319
gave birth to an occultism of an

1281
00:50:54,349 --> 00:50:51,420
entirely different variety Russian

1282
00:50:57,109 --> 00:50:54,359
cosmism in his book The Russian cosmists

1283
00:50:59,510 --> 00:50:57,119
the esoteric futurism of Nikolai fedorov

1284
00:51:03,109 --> 00:50:59,520
and his followers Author George M young

1285
00:51:05,150 --> 00:51:03,119
describes Russian cosmism as quote a

1286
00:51:08,450 --> 00:51:05,160
highly controversial and oxymoronic

1287
00:51:10,510 --> 00:51:08,460
blend of activist speculation futuristic

1288
00:51:14,390 --> 00:51:10,520
traditionalism religious science

1289
00:51:17,930 --> 00:51:14,400
exoteric esotericism utopian pragmatism

1290
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:17,940
idealistic imperialism higher magic

1291
00:51:23,329 --> 00:51:20,880
partnered to higher mathematics unquote

1292
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:23,339
in many ways Russian cosmism is a

1293
00:51:27,710 --> 00:51:24,720
reflection of the culture of the people

1294
00:51:29,750 --> 00:51:27,720
themselves as philosopher nikolov

1295
00:51:32,809 --> 00:51:29,760
bairdev wrote in his book The Russian

1296
00:51:34,490 --> 00:51:32,819
idea two contradictory principles lay at

1297
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:34,500
the foundation of the structure of the

1298
00:51:40,730 --> 00:51:37,680
Russian Soul the one a natural dionysian

1299
00:51:42,650 --> 00:51:40,740
Elemental paganism and the other acetic

1300
00:51:44,510 --> 00:51:42,660
monastic Orthodoxy

1301
00:51:46,609 --> 00:51:44,520
so what did the Russian Cosmos believe

1302
00:51:48,890 --> 00:51:46,619
exactly and how did it contribute to

1303
00:51:50,750 --> 00:51:48,900
Humanity's journey to space to

1304
00:51:52,849 --> 00:51:50,760
understand that we need to take a moment

1305
00:51:54,410 --> 00:51:52,859
to examine this complex philosophy

1306
00:51:57,049 --> 00:51:54,420
through the lens of the work of two

1307
00:52:00,349 --> 00:51:57,059
fathers of modern space travel Nikolai

1308
00:52:02,510 --> 00:52:00,359
fedorov and Constantine chalkovsky we'll

1309
00:52:04,370 --> 00:52:02,520
start with Nikolai fedorov a philosopher

1310
00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:04,380
regarded by many as the first of the

1311
00:52:08,690 --> 00:52:06,720
Russian cosmists although federov didn't

1312
00:52:09,950 --> 00:52:08,700
write any books in his lifetime due to

1313
00:52:12,470 --> 00:52:09,960
his belief that books and ideas

1314
00:52:15,109 --> 00:52:12,480
shouldn't be owned and his few Works

1315
00:52:17,030 --> 00:52:15,119
were only published posthumously his

1316
00:52:19,150 --> 00:52:17,040
thinking had an outsized influence on

1317
00:52:21,470 --> 00:52:19,160
the shaping of Cosmos philosophy

1318
00:52:24,170 --> 00:52:21,480
federov's work came down to one core

1319
00:52:26,690 --> 00:52:24,180
idea that all known problems have a

1320
00:52:29,270 --> 00:52:26,700
single root in the problem of death and

1321
00:52:31,549 --> 00:52:29,280
that no solution to any social economic

1322
00:52:33,530 --> 00:52:31,559
political or philosophical problems will

1323
00:52:35,150 --> 00:52:33,540
prove adequate until we have solved the

1324
00:52:37,730 --> 00:52:35,160
problem of death

1325
00:52:40,490 --> 00:52:37,740
all philosophies federov wrote while

1326
00:52:43,190 --> 00:52:40,500
disagreeing about all else agree on one

1327
00:52:46,010 --> 00:52:43,200
thing they all recognize the reality of

1328
00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:46,020
death its inevitability even when

1329
00:52:50,630 --> 00:52:48,240
recognizing as some do nothing real in

1330
00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:50,640
the world the most skeptical systems

1331
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:53,040
doubting even itself bowed down before

1332
00:52:58,010 --> 00:52:56,160
the fact and reality of death unquote

1333
00:52:59,450 --> 00:52:58,020
however according to fedorov the

1334
00:53:01,910 --> 00:52:59,460
inevitability of death doesn't

1335
00:53:05,089 --> 00:53:01,920
necessarily need to be so inevitable

1336
00:53:07,370 --> 00:53:05,099
death is a condition he wrote but not

1337
00:53:10,849 --> 00:53:07,380
equality without which man ceases to be

1338
00:53:13,490 --> 00:53:10,859
what he is and what he ought to be and

1339
00:53:15,650 --> 00:53:13,500
it's that very idea of what a man is and

1340
00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:15,660
what he ought to be that is core to the

1341
00:53:21,589 --> 00:53:18,720
philosophy of federov in his view what a

1342
00:53:23,569 --> 00:53:21,599
human is is Immortal in what he or she

1343
00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:23,579
ought to be is engaged in the active

1344
00:53:28,010 --> 00:53:25,680
pursuit of immortality for themselves

1345
00:53:30,230 --> 00:53:28,020
and their fellow human beings

1346
00:53:32,089 --> 00:53:30,240
an interesting side note in many ways

1347
00:53:34,250 --> 00:53:32,099
what you find in fedorov's belief system

1348
00:53:36,349 --> 00:53:34,260
is the roots of the modern day futurism

1349
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:36,359
and transhumanism that is embraced by

1350
00:53:41,329 --> 00:53:38,640
biohacking Tech billionaires and their

1351
00:53:43,069 --> 00:53:41,339
breathless followers today when asked

1352
00:53:44,930 --> 00:53:43,079
directly some of the richest and most

1353
00:53:46,609 --> 00:53:44,940
powerful people in the world will tell

1354
00:53:49,370 --> 00:53:46,619
you that they think that theirs might be

1355
00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:49,380
the first generation not to die whether

1356
00:53:54,049 --> 00:53:51,119
that's wishful thinking or not remains

1357
00:53:55,910 --> 00:53:54,059
to be seen according to fedorov there

1358
00:53:58,430 --> 00:53:55,920
are two reasons for death and both of

1359
00:54:00,410 --> 00:53:58,440
these reasons come down to entropy on

1360
00:54:02,930 --> 00:54:00,420
the one hand there is entropy inside the

1361
00:54:05,030 --> 00:54:02,940
human body that leads to death internal

1362
00:54:06,650 --> 00:54:05,040
organ systems break down over time and

1363
00:54:08,690 --> 00:54:06,660
become disorganized through the process

1364
00:54:09,650 --> 00:54:08,700
of Aging until life is no longer

1365
00:54:11,809 --> 00:54:09,660
possible

1366
00:54:13,609 --> 00:54:11,819
on the other hand there is also an

1367
00:54:15,730 --> 00:54:13,619
unpredictability to the events outside

1368
00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:15,740
of the body such as weather phenomena

1369
00:54:20,690 --> 00:54:18,240
federov believed that man might achieve

1370
00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:20,700
immortality by introducing will and

1371
00:54:24,170 --> 00:54:23,040
reason into nature to counteract these

1372
00:54:26,510 --> 00:54:24,180
forces

1373
00:54:29,450 --> 00:54:26,520
but in order to do this the human being

1374
00:54:32,290 --> 00:54:29,460
must be perfected according to federov

1375
00:54:35,150 --> 00:54:32,300
this meant evolving into a self-creating

1376
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:35,160
mind-controlled form capable of infinite

1377
00:54:39,770 --> 00:54:37,440
renewal which is immortal

1378
00:54:41,870 --> 00:54:39,780
he envisioned a superhuman future for

1379
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:41,880
Humanity where the perfected human form

1380
00:54:46,790 --> 00:54:43,920
could self-direct itself to accomplish

1381
00:54:48,829 --> 00:54:46,800
any task from flight to seeing through

1382
00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:48,839
walls to surviving the harsh conditions

1383
00:54:52,609 --> 00:54:49,920
of space

1384
00:54:55,309 --> 00:54:52,619
these bodies would also finally manifest

1385
00:54:57,170 --> 00:54:55,319
Humanity's true Immortal Nature by

1386
00:54:59,270 --> 00:54:57,180
constantly regenerating itself at the

1387
00:55:01,910 --> 00:54:59,280
cellular level including creating new

1388
00:55:03,770 --> 00:55:01,920
organs if necessary and developing new

1389
00:55:06,109 --> 00:55:03,780
modes of energy exchange that would

1390
00:55:08,630 --> 00:55:06,119
allow itself to self-feed indefinitely

1391
00:55:11,089 --> 00:55:08,640
something like a plant that is also its

1392
00:55:12,890 --> 00:55:11,099
own greenhouse and watering system in

1393
00:55:15,349 --> 00:55:12,900
federov's worldview then space

1394
00:55:17,569 --> 00:55:15,359
exploration isn't just a fun option for

1395
00:55:20,089 --> 00:55:17,579
Humanity to be undertaken simply out of

1396
00:55:22,309 --> 00:55:20,099
curiosity or a desire for Conquest

1397
00:55:24,410 --> 00:55:22,319
rather it should be pursued as an

1398
00:55:26,210 --> 00:55:24,420
ultimate end in itself to assure the

1399
00:55:27,410 --> 00:55:26,220
Triumph of Life over death for all of

1400
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:27,420
humanity

1401
00:55:31,370 --> 00:55:29,040
fedorov's thinking was hugely

1402
00:55:32,930 --> 00:55:31,380
influential not just on Russian cosmist

1403
00:55:35,329 --> 00:55:32,940
philosophy but on many of the

1404
00:55:36,950 --> 00:55:35,339
forefathers of the Soviet space program

1405
00:55:39,049 --> 00:55:36,960
one of the most notable of these

1406
00:55:42,349 --> 00:55:39,059
forefathers was early rocket scientist

1407
00:55:44,450 --> 00:55:42,359
Constantine chalkovsky Tchaikovsky had

1408
00:55:46,010 --> 00:55:44,460
frequent and direct contact with federov

1409
00:55:47,870 --> 00:55:46,020
over a three-year period when

1410
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:47,880
Tchaikovsky visited the library where

1411
00:55:51,410 --> 00:55:49,680
fedorov was working and while

1412
00:55:53,990 --> 00:55:51,420
Tchaikovsky's thinking undoubtedly

1413
00:55:55,790 --> 00:55:54,000
pulled from a variety of sources the

1414
00:55:58,370 --> 00:55:55,800
influence that federov had on him is

1415
00:56:00,349 --> 00:55:58,380
apparent what's most remarkable about

1416
00:56:02,210 --> 00:56:00,359
Tchaikovsky's work is how much of it

1417
00:56:05,030 --> 00:56:02,220
feels almost prophetic

1418
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:05,040
though jokowsky died in 1935 at the age

1419
00:56:10,670 --> 00:56:07,920
of 78 a full quarter of a century before

1420
00:56:13,609 --> 00:56:10,680
Soviet Cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin became the

1421
00:56:15,410 --> 00:56:13,619
first man in space he conceived of many

1422
00:56:17,750 --> 00:56:15,420
of the necessary components of modern

1423
00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:17,760
space flight at a time when these ideas

1424
00:56:21,410 --> 00:56:20,160
were considered to be at best science

1425
00:56:23,690 --> 00:56:21,420
fiction

1426
00:56:26,089 --> 00:56:23,700
he wrote more than 400 Works including

1427
00:56:28,910 --> 00:56:26,099
approximately 90 published pieces on

1428
00:56:30,829 --> 00:56:28,920
space travel and related subjects among

1429
00:56:33,530 --> 00:56:30,839
his works are designs for Rockets with

1430
00:56:36,349 --> 00:56:33,540
steering thrusters multi-stage boosters

1431
00:56:38,170 --> 00:56:36,359
space stations airlocks for exiting a

1432
00:56:41,030 --> 00:56:38,180
spaceship into the vacuum of space

1433
00:56:42,710 --> 00:56:41,040
enclosed cycle biological systems to

1434
00:56:45,410 --> 00:56:42,720
provide food and oxygen for space

1435
00:56:47,270 --> 00:56:45,420
colonies among chalkovsky's published

1436
00:56:49,970 --> 00:56:47,280
Works were many works of fiction as well

1437
00:56:51,530 --> 00:56:49,980
he had a gift not just for quantifying

1438
00:56:53,690 --> 00:56:51,540
space travel through mathematical

1439
00:56:55,609 --> 00:56:53,700
equations but for translating his

1440
00:56:58,069 --> 00:56:55,619
enthusiasm for the topic in such a way

1441
00:56:59,630 --> 00:56:58,079
as to popularize the very idea of space

1442
00:57:02,089 --> 00:56:59,640
travel itself

1443
00:57:04,370 --> 00:57:02,099
many of the future Russian cosmonauts

1444
00:57:06,470 --> 00:57:04,380
including the first man in space Yuri

1445
00:57:08,809 --> 00:57:06,480
Gagarin were Avid readers of

1446
00:57:10,609 --> 00:57:08,819
chilkovsky's work as children inspiring

1447
00:57:11,870 --> 00:57:10,619
them to pursue their future career as

1448
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:11,880
adults

1449
00:57:16,670 --> 00:57:14,400
however according to Tchaikovsky all of

1450
00:57:18,290 --> 00:57:16,680
his work concerning space travel and his

1451
00:57:20,750 --> 00:57:18,300
development of the theory of rocketry

1452
00:57:23,270 --> 00:57:20,760
was merely supplemental to his

1453
00:57:25,069 --> 00:57:23,280
philosophical research on these subjects

1454
00:57:27,470 --> 00:57:25,079
one of the central ideas of his

1455
00:57:30,890 --> 00:57:27,480
philosophy is that life and spirit are

1456
00:57:33,470 --> 00:57:30,900
present in all matter he wrote quote I

1457
00:57:36,349 --> 00:57:33,480
am not only a materialist but also a pan

1458
00:57:38,750 --> 00:57:36,359
psychist recognizing the sensitivity of

1459
00:57:40,910 --> 00:57:38,760
the entire universe I consider this

1460
00:57:43,730 --> 00:57:40,920
characteristic to be Inseparable from

1461
00:57:45,530 --> 00:57:43,740
matter everything is alive but with the

1462
00:57:47,390 --> 00:57:45,540
condition that we consider living only

1463
00:57:49,670 --> 00:57:47,400
that which possesses a sufficiently

1464
00:57:51,650 --> 00:57:49,680
strong sense of feeling since everything

1465
00:57:53,870 --> 00:57:51,660
that is matter can under favorable

1466
00:57:56,569 --> 00:57:53,880
circumstances convert to an organic

1467
00:57:58,849 --> 00:57:56,579
State then we can conditionally say that

1468
00:58:00,549 --> 00:57:58,859
inorganic matter is potentially living

1469
00:58:02,990 --> 00:58:00,559
unquote

1470
00:58:06,410 --> 00:58:03,000
jokowsky saw the universe as being both

1471
00:58:08,210 --> 00:58:06,420
rationally organized and hierarchical on

1472
00:58:10,370 --> 00:58:08,220
the Bottom Rung of this hierarchy are

1473
00:58:13,190 --> 00:58:10,380
lower life forms consisting mainly of

1474
00:58:15,170 --> 00:58:13,200
matter in which spirit is dormant these

1475
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:15,180
life forms eventually evolve into higher

1476
00:58:19,790 --> 00:58:17,280
ones in which spirit is awakened and

1477
00:58:21,950 --> 00:58:19,800
more dominant at the highest levels of

1478
00:58:25,309 --> 00:58:21,960
evolution as a being reaches Perfection

1479
00:58:27,430 --> 00:58:25,319
we outgrow our corporeal meat sacks and

1480
00:58:29,450 --> 00:58:27,440
become beings of light and energy

1481
00:58:31,910 --> 00:58:29,460
chalkovsky believed that we are made of

1482
00:58:34,010 --> 00:58:31,920
the same Adam Spirits as ethereal beings

1483
00:58:36,650 --> 00:58:34,020
that exist beyond our Dimension like

1484
00:58:38,569 --> 00:58:36,660
Angels gods and ascended masters

1485
00:58:40,430 --> 00:58:38,579
he further believed that these higher

1486
00:58:43,069 --> 00:58:40,440
beings are in constant communication

1487
00:58:45,349 --> 00:58:43,079
with us reading our thoughts and sending

1488
00:58:47,630 --> 00:58:45,359
us messages through Celestial symbols

1489
00:58:49,069 --> 00:58:47,640
which most of us don't perceive much

1490
00:58:51,950 --> 00:58:49,079
less understand

1491
00:58:53,930 --> 00:58:51,960
for Tchaikovsky a genius is a person who

1492
00:58:55,789 --> 00:58:53,940
is capable of comprehending and

1493
00:58:57,829 --> 00:58:55,799
channeling these messages from higher

1494
00:59:00,349 --> 00:58:57,839
beings and translating them into Earthly

1495
00:59:02,809 --> 00:59:00,359
projects like the poet who hears the

1496
00:59:04,970 --> 00:59:02,819
muses or the inspired inventor who turns

1497
00:59:06,410 --> 00:59:04,980
a dreamed universal symbol into a useful

1498
00:59:08,510 --> 00:59:06,420
object

1499
00:59:10,549 --> 00:59:08,520
I want to pause here for a moment to

1500
00:59:12,890 --> 00:59:10,559
acknowledge that there is a dark side to

1501
00:59:14,450 --> 00:59:12,900
chalkovsky's worldview and it's a thread

1502
00:59:16,190 --> 00:59:14,460
that you unfortunately find woven

1503
00:59:18,890 --> 00:59:16,200
throughout many of the branches of a

1504
00:59:21,770 --> 00:59:18,900
called an esoteric thinking within the

1505
00:59:23,569 --> 00:59:21,780
ideal of the self-perfecting human is a

1506
00:59:25,670 --> 00:59:23,579
slippery slope that can lead to the

1507
00:59:28,309 --> 00:59:25,680
horrific belief that human evolution

1508
00:59:29,930 --> 00:59:28,319
requires the elimination of or weeding

1509
00:59:31,910 --> 00:59:29,940
out of those of us who are somehow

1510
00:59:34,069 --> 00:59:31,920
deemed to be defective

1511
00:59:35,930 --> 00:59:34,079
we only have to look back at the rise of

1512
00:59:37,849 --> 00:59:35,940
Nazi Germany to understand how

1513
00:59:39,890 --> 00:59:37,859
profoundly dangerous and how terribly

1514
00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:39,900
inhumane that belief is

1515
00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:42,240
in fact there are those that argue that

1516
00:59:46,370 --> 00:59:43,680
due to the prevalence of that sort of

1517
00:59:48,470 --> 00:59:46,380
belief system within esotericism that

1518
00:59:51,349 --> 00:59:48,480
the occult is an inherently hateful

1519
00:59:53,569 --> 00:59:51,359
ideology and while I don't agree with

1520
00:59:55,309 --> 00:59:53,579
that perspective I can't deny that there

1521
00:59:57,530 --> 00:59:55,319
is a certain danger there

1522
00:59:59,690 --> 00:59:57,540
it's my opinion that the vast Pantheon

1523
01:00:01,789 --> 00:59:59,700
of occult beliefs and practices are far

1524
01:00:04,549 --> 01:00:01,799
too varied and nuanced to be inherently

1525
01:00:06,950 --> 01:00:04,559
any one thing and I'd argue that

1526
01:00:09,109 --> 01:00:06,960
philosophical models like any tool can

1527
01:00:10,910 --> 01:00:09,119
be used for good or for evil depending

1528
01:00:13,069 --> 01:00:10,920
on who's wielding them

1529
01:00:15,049 --> 01:00:13,079
still I think it's important to be aware

1530
01:00:17,630 --> 01:00:15,059
of the dangers and pitfalls of certain

1531
01:00:19,849 --> 01:00:17,640
belief systems particularly those that

1532
01:00:21,470 --> 01:00:19,859
have been used to justify Mass violence

1533
01:00:23,990 --> 01:00:21,480
against human beings

1534
01:00:27,230 --> 01:00:24,000
in general the ideologies to watch out

1535
01:00:29,329 --> 01:00:27,240
for are any that one time moral

1536
01:00:31,329 --> 01:00:29,339
superiority to genetics or to any

1537
01:00:34,250 --> 01:00:31,339
particular physical traits or abilities

1538
01:00:35,809 --> 01:00:34,260
two that hold social hierarchies to be

1539
01:00:37,609 --> 01:00:35,819
both naturally occurring and

1540
01:00:39,530 --> 01:00:37,619
intrinsically Fair structures whereby

1541
01:00:42,829 --> 01:00:39,540
the morally Superior rule over the

1542
01:00:44,870 --> 01:00:42,839
morally inferior or three that put any

1543
01:00:47,329 --> 01:00:44,880
one person or group of people in charge

1544
01:00:49,609 --> 01:00:47,339
of the spiritual development of another

1545
01:00:51,950 --> 01:00:49,619
I found that as long as you were mindful

1546
01:00:53,809 --> 01:00:51,960
to keep those ideas at arm's length it

1547
01:00:55,789 --> 01:00:53,819
becomes easy to navigate some of these

1548
01:00:57,770 --> 01:00:55,799
stickier occult Concepts without

1549
01:01:00,950 --> 01:00:57,780
straying from the road of decency and

1550
01:01:02,809 --> 01:01:00,960
compassion for one's fellow human beings

1551
01:01:04,730 --> 01:01:02,819
so now that we've taken a tour of the

1552
01:01:06,410 --> 01:01:04,740
occult practices and philosophies of

1553
01:01:07,970 --> 01:01:06,420
some of the most influential figures of

1554
01:01:10,730 --> 01:01:07,980
the early space programs of the United

1555
01:01:13,670 --> 01:01:10,740
States and the Soviet Union what are we

1556
01:01:15,230 --> 01:01:13,680
to make of it all if I'm being honest I

1557
01:01:15,950 --> 01:01:15,240
don't really know what to do with all of

1558
01:01:17,870 --> 01:01:15,960
this

1559
01:01:19,910 --> 01:01:17,880
as a skeptical rational person

1560
01:01:21,890 --> 01:01:19,920
approaching this subject the nuts and

1561
01:01:24,049 --> 01:01:21,900
bolts of the UFO phenomenon is usually

1562
01:01:26,510 --> 01:01:24,059
where you start it's certainly where I

1563
01:01:28,849 --> 01:01:26,520
started I mean the government says UFOs

1564
01:01:30,410 --> 01:01:28,859
are real highly trained members of our

1565
01:01:32,150 --> 01:01:30,420
military are seeing them all the time

1566
01:01:34,010 --> 01:01:32,160
and some of these sightings have been

1567
01:01:36,710 --> 01:01:34,020
verified by multiple Witnesses and

1568
01:01:38,569 --> 01:01:36,720
highly Advanced tracking systems that's

1569
01:01:40,849 --> 01:01:38,579
something that just about anyone can get

1570
01:01:43,789 --> 01:01:40,859
their head around they are craft of some

1571
01:01:46,010 --> 01:01:43,799
kind they're technology super advanced

1572
01:01:48,250 --> 01:01:46,020
technology but technology all the same

1573
01:01:50,930 --> 01:01:48,260
these are Concepts that we understand

1574
01:01:53,510 --> 01:01:50,940
but the problem is that once you start

1575
01:01:55,250 --> 01:01:53,520
really diving into this topic you

1576
01:01:57,770 --> 01:01:55,260
immediately recognize that where the

1577
01:01:59,690 --> 01:01:57,780
rubber meets the road by which I mean in

1578
01:02:02,930 --> 01:01:59,700
the cases of contact between the UFO

1579
01:02:05,410 --> 01:02:02,940
phenomenon and real people nothing about

1580
01:02:08,210 --> 01:02:05,420
these experiences appears to be rational

1581
01:02:09,829 --> 01:02:08,220
even things like time and cause and

1582
01:02:11,410 --> 01:02:09,839
effect seem to break down in the

1583
01:02:14,510 --> 01:02:11,420
presence of whatever these things are

1584
01:02:17,030 --> 01:02:14,520
there is a strange quality about the UFO

1585
01:02:20,930 --> 01:02:17,040
phenomenon it is somehow both there and

1586
01:02:23,510 --> 01:02:20,940
not there and yet UFOs are at least some

1587
01:02:25,309 --> 01:02:23,520
of them undeniably some form of

1588
01:02:27,589 --> 01:02:25,319
technology that falls outside of our

1589
01:02:29,390 --> 01:02:27,599
current technological Paradigm with

1590
01:02:32,569 --> 01:02:29,400
craft that can in the case of the

1591
01:02:35,030 --> 01:02:32,579
infamous Tic Tac travel 80 000 feet in

1592
01:02:36,829 --> 01:02:35,040
less than a second it's not a stretch to

1593
01:02:38,030 --> 01:02:36,839
assume that this technology G is the

1594
01:02:40,730 --> 01:02:38,040
product of a highly advanced

1595
01:02:43,010 --> 01:02:40,740
intelligence Health the craft themselves

1596
01:02:45,049 --> 01:02:43,020
might be that intelligence we simply

1597
01:02:46,970 --> 01:02:45,059
don't know the only thing that this

1598
01:02:50,030 --> 01:02:46,980
phenomenon ever seems to bother to make

1599
01:02:51,890 --> 01:02:50,040
clear is that we are not alone and there

1600
01:02:53,510 --> 01:02:51,900
is a weird cognitive dissonance that

1601
01:02:56,270 --> 01:02:53,520
comes at the point when you begin to

1602
01:02:58,970 --> 01:02:56,280
really internalize that reality that we

1603
01:03:00,950 --> 01:02:58,980
are not alone because if an advanced

1604
01:03:03,349 --> 01:03:00,960
intelligence is interacting with our

1605
01:03:06,410 --> 01:03:03,359
military they almost certainly aren't

1606
01:03:07,910 --> 01:03:06,420
interacting only with our military and

1607
01:03:10,549 --> 01:03:07,920
if they are interacting with everyday

1608
01:03:11,990 --> 01:03:10,559
people then we have to assume that at

1609
01:03:13,970 --> 01:03:12,000
least some portion of the bizarre

1610
01:03:16,490 --> 01:03:13,980
accounts that people give of those types

1611
01:03:19,010 --> 01:03:16,500
of interactions are true

1612
01:03:21,890 --> 01:03:19,020
but people who hear voices and see

1613
01:03:24,349 --> 01:03:21,900
strange entities are crazy right it's a

1614
01:03:27,230 --> 01:03:24,359
reflexive response the stigma against

1615
01:03:29,150 --> 01:03:27,240
any form of anomalous experience runs so

1616
01:03:31,190 --> 01:03:29,160
deep in our culture that it can be

1617
01:03:33,589 --> 01:03:31,200
difficult for even the most independent

1618
01:03:36,230 --> 01:03:33,599
thinkers to approach the idea that some

1619
01:03:38,210 --> 01:03:36,240
so-called crazy people might not

1620
01:03:39,530 --> 01:03:38,220
actually be crazy for fear of people

1621
01:03:41,870 --> 01:03:39,540
thinking that they have gone crazy

1622
01:03:44,089 --> 01:03:41,880
themselves we're powerfully

1623
01:03:46,309 --> 01:03:44,099
disincentivized to even consider such

1624
01:03:48,589 --> 01:03:46,319
thoughts so many of us who have never

1625
01:03:51,589 --> 01:03:48,599
had such an experience ourselves simply

1626
01:03:53,569 --> 01:03:51,599
don't I mean why would we but in the

1627
01:03:55,970 --> 01:03:53,579
case of Jack Parsons and Constantine

1628
01:03:58,609 --> 01:03:55,980
chalkovsky these claims are particularly

1629
01:04:00,650 --> 01:03:58,619
difficult to ignore both men believe

1630
01:04:03,410 --> 01:04:00,660
themselves to be in communication with

1631
01:04:05,930 --> 01:04:03,420
non-human intelligences and this belief

1632
01:04:07,910 --> 01:04:05,940
not only fueled their work it informed

1633
01:04:09,770 --> 01:04:07,920
it and you could write them off as

1634
01:04:11,930 --> 01:04:09,780
Baddie you could fairly claim that

1635
01:04:13,549 --> 01:04:11,940
Parsons did way too many drugs you can

1636
01:04:15,349 --> 01:04:13,559
point out what a crazy time it was

1637
01:04:16,430 --> 01:04:15,359
ontologically speaking and that the

1638
01:04:18,829 --> 01:04:16,440
lines between science and science

1639
01:04:20,750 --> 01:04:18,839
science fiction were blurred you can

1640
01:04:23,030 --> 01:04:20,760
doubt them and discredit them in a

1641
01:04:24,950 --> 01:04:23,040
thousand different ways but the reality

1642
01:04:26,990 --> 01:04:24,960
is that without their work we never

1643
01:04:29,150 --> 01:04:27,000
would have made it to the moon their

1644
01:04:31,730 --> 01:04:29,160
insights and breakthroughs took us to

1645
01:04:34,190 --> 01:04:31,740
space I mean it's literally rocket

1646
01:04:37,069 --> 01:04:34,200
science nothing about it was easy or

1647
01:04:38,930 --> 01:04:37,079
intuitive or inevitable and so even the

1648
01:04:41,630 --> 01:04:38,940
most skeptical Among Us has to ask

1649
01:04:44,089 --> 01:04:41,640
themselves how crazy these men really

1650
01:04:46,970 --> 01:04:44,099
could have been and if they weren't

1651
01:04:48,650 --> 01:04:46,980
crazy could it really be possible that a

1652
01:04:50,089 --> 01:04:48,660
non-human intelligence guided our

1653
01:04:53,030 --> 01:04:50,099
journey to space

1654
01:04:54,950 --> 01:04:53,040
and even more remarkably could there

1655
01:04:56,990 --> 01:04:54,960
still be a legacy of this kind of

1656
01:04:58,490 --> 01:04:57,000
contact going on in the space program

1657
01:05:01,430 --> 01:04:58,500
today

1658
01:05:04,309 --> 01:05:01,440
it turns out that there is and it's not

1659
01:05:06,470 --> 01:05:04,319
just isolated to the space program as Dr

1660
01:05:09,289 --> 01:05:06,480
Diana Welsh pasulka revealed in her

1661
01:05:12,049 --> 01:05:09,299
phenomenal Book American Cosmic UFOs

1662
01:05:14,089 --> 01:05:12,059
religion technology these sorts of

1663
01:05:16,370 --> 01:05:14,099
experience or scientists can often be

1664
01:05:18,530 --> 01:05:16,380
found at the bleeding edge of futuristic

1665
01:05:20,809 --> 01:05:18,540
Fields like Aeronautics and biotech

1666
01:05:23,270 --> 01:05:20,819
these likely are not names that you know

1667
01:05:25,430 --> 01:05:23,280
or will ever hear these people tend to

1668
01:05:27,349 --> 01:05:25,440
be intensely private are bound by

1669
01:05:29,089 --> 01:05:27,359
multiple government clearances and ndas

1670
01:05:30,890 --> 01:05:29,099
and usually have enough money from their

1671
01:05:32,809 --> 01:05:30,900
dozens of Highly lucrative patents and

1672
01:05:35,870 --> 01:05:32,819
business ventures that they can afford

1673
01:05:37,609 --> 01:05:35,880
to fly under the radar in short this is

1674
01:05:39,950 --> 01:05:37,619
not a group of people that is easy to

1675
01:05:42,770 --> 01:05:39,960
find but in her research for her book on

1676
01:05:45,530 --> 01:05:42,780
UFOs Diana found them

1677
01:05:47,930 --> 01:05:45,540
we last discussed Dr pasilka's American

1678
01:05:50,809 --> 01:05:47,940
Cosmic in episode 11 when we were

1679
01:05:52,370 --> 01:05:50,819
exploring the emergence of UFO lore we

1680
01:05:54,289 --> 01:05:52,380
only just scratched the surface of the

1681
01:05:56,510 --> 01:05:54,299
book in that episode so I'm excited to

1682
01:05:58,490 --> 01:05:56,520
dive into it more here because one of

1683
01:06:01,069 --> 01:05:58,500
the most compelling aspects of American

1684
01:06:03,410 --> 01:06:01,079
Cosmic is Diana's description of forming

1685
01:06:05,450 --> 01:06:03,420
a friendship with two such experience or

1686
01:06:08,030 --> 01:06:05,460
scientists to whom she gave the

1687
01:06:09,950 --> 01:06:08,040
pseudonyms James and Tyler

1688
01:06:12,410 --> 01:06:09,960
although James and Tyler had never met

1689
01:06:14,690 --> 01:06:12,420
before Diana introduced them the two men

1690
01:06:16,130 --> 01:06:14,700
had a lot in common both men were

1691
01:06:18,650 --> 01:06:16,140
scientists at the very top of their

1692
01:06:20,809 --> 01:06:18,660
fields defying the stereotypes both

1693
01:06:23,630 --> 01:06:20,819
drove fancy sports cars funded by their

1694
01:06:26,150 --> 01:06:23,640
work and most significantly both men

1695
01:06:27,770 --> 01:06:26,160
were experiencers of the phenomenon who

1696
01:06:29,990 --> 01:06:27,780
believed that their work was in some way

1697
01:06:31,370 --> 01:06:30,000
Guided by contact with a non-human

1698
01:06:33,529 --> 01:06:31,380
intelligence

1699
01:06:35,690 --> 01:06:33,539
James and Tyler were both members of

1700
01:06:39,049 --> 01:06:35,700
what Jay Ellen heineck of Project Blue

1701
01:06:40,970 --> 01:06:39,059
Book Fame termed the invisible College a

1702
01:06:42,770 --> 01:06:40,980
small secretive group of scientists and

1703
01:06:44,809 --> 01:06:42,780
researchers who study the phenomenon

1704
01:06:46,549 --> 01:06:44,819
behind closed doors of some of our most

1705
01:06:47,930 --> 01:06:46,559
elite scientific and academic

1706
01:06:50,630 --> 01:06:47,940
institutions

1707
01:06:53,450 --> 01:06:50,640
and both men were also what Diana termed

1708
01:06:55,670 --> 01:06:53,460
meta experiencers or scientists who are

1709
01:06:57,589 --> 01:06:55,680
interested in what experiencers see and

1710
01:06:59,690 --> 01:06:57,599
how they see it and then use that data

1711
01:07:01,849 --> 01:06:59,700
to inform their work with these two

1712
01:07:03,770 --> 01:07:01,859
contacts Diana quickly found herself on

1713
01:07:05,750 --> 01:07:03,780
the other side of the Looking Glass

1714
01:07:07,370 --> 01:07:05,760
as an academic and someone who is

1715
01:07:09,829 --> 01:07:07,380
entirely skeptical about the UFO

1716
01:07:11,450 --> 01:07:09,839
phenomenon before beginning her work she

1717
01:07:13,910 --> 01:07:11,460
found herself in the surprising position

1718
01:07:16,730 --> 01:07:13,920
of being confronted with the reality of

1719
01:07:19,010 --> 01:07:16,740
two people who weren't just sane but

1720
01:07:22,130 --> 01:07:19,020
generationally brilliant and who were

1721
01:07:24,650 --> 01:07:22,140
making extraordinary claims and to back

1722
01:07:26,809 --> 01:07:24,660
up these claims they each had decades

1723
01:07:29,510 --> 01:07:26,819
worth of surprising breakthroughs in

1724
01:07:31,010 --> 01:07:29,520
Paradigm breaking patents startling in

1725
01:07:33,529 --> 01:07:31,020
both their breadth and level of

1726
01:07:36,410 --> 01:07:33,539
innovation their respective bodies of

1727
01:07:37,970 --> 01:07:36,420
work save lives cure diseases and

1728
01:07:39,589 --> 01:07:37,980
stretch the very limits of human

1729
01:07:41,990 --> 01:07:39,599
potential

1730
01:07:44,270 --> 01:07:42,000
and lest you doubt the credentials of

1731
01:07:46,430 --> 01:07:44,280
these gentlemen it's worth noting that

1732
01:07:48,109 --> 01:07:46,440
James has since outed himself and is

1733
01:07:51,109 --> 01:07:48,119
actually none other than the

1734
01:07:52,609 --> 01:07:51,119
distinguished Dr Gary Nolan who holds

1735
01:07:54,770 --> 01:07:52,619
the Ratchford and Carlotta a Harris

1736
01:07:56,690 --> 01:07:54,780
Professor endowed chair in the

1737
01:07:59,870 --> 01:07:56,700
department of pathology at Stanford

1738
01:08:02,809 --> 01:07:59,880
University School of Medicine Dr Nolan

1739
01:08:04,609 --> 01:08:02,819
is an immunologist academic inventor and

1740
01:08:07,089 --> 01:08:04,619
entrepreneur who is founded and sold

1741
01:08:10,609 --> 01:08:07,099
multiple biotech companies in his career

1742
01:08:13,970 --> 01:08:10,619
in short he could not be more legit

1743
01:08:15,950 --> 01:08:13,980
except for Tyler Tyler is one of the

1744
01:08:18,769 --> 01:08:15,960
very few people who one might consider

1745
01:08:20,689 --> 01:08:18,779
to be more legit although his identity

1746
01:08:22,309 --> 01:08:20,699
hasn't been revealed Tyler has been

1747
01:08:24,530 --> 01:08:22,319
involved in the space program for

1748
01:08:26,689 --> 01:08:24,540
decades and his involvement with both

1749
01:08:29,090 --> 01:08:26,699
the exploration of space and the

1750
01:08:31,550 --> 01:08:29,100
phenomenon have taken him to places of

1751
01:08:33,769 --> 01:08:31,560
which few can dream and his story arc

1752
01:08:35,570 --> 01:08:33,779
within American Cosmic provides a

1753
01:08:37,689 --> 01:08:35,580
compelling case study of the potential

1754
01:08:40,570 --> 01:08:37,699
involvement of non-human intelligence

1755
01:08:43,189 --> 01:08:40,580
within the United States Space Program

1756
01:08:45,530 --> 01:08:43,199
one of the most fascinating parts of

1757
01:08:47,510 --> 01:08:45,540
Diana's accounts of Tyler is that she

1758
01:08:50,090 --> 01:08:47,520
was able to find and meet him at all

1759
01:08:52,130 --> 01:08:50,100
like I said these people tend to be

1760
01:08:54,229 --> 01:08:52,140
intensely private and Tyler was no

1761
01:08:56,450 --> 01:08:54,239
different so the fact that Diana was

1762
01:08:58,849 --> 01:08:56,460
able to find him meant that he wanted to

1763
01:09:01,249 --> 01:08:58,859
be found at least by someone like her

1764
01:09:02,990 --> 01:09:01,259
when Diana asked him why it was that he

1765
01:09:05,450 --> 01:09:03,000
agreed to talk to her a religious

1766
01:09:08,689 --> 01:09:05,460
studies Professor Tyler's answer was

1767
01:09:10,550 --> 01:09:08,699
surprising he said I have mentors in the

1768
01:09:12,590 --> 01:09:10,560
space program one of them who was now

1769
01:09:14,870 --> 01:09:12,600
now retired explained that the next

1770
01:09:17,570 --> 01:09:14,880
Discovery in my field is going to come

1771
01:09:19,070 --> 01:09:17,580
from your field I am at the limit of

1772
01:09:21,470 --> 01:09:19,080
understanding what I can from a

1773
01:09:23,990 --> 01:09:21,480
materialist perspective my mentor

1774
01:09:26,090 --> 01:09:24,000
explained that mysticism religion and

1775
01:09:27,470 --> 01:09:26,100
Consciousness is where I need to go to

1776
01:09:29,990 --> 01:09:27,480
learn what's next

1777
01:09:31,970 --> 01:09:30,000
as she got to know Tyler A Narrative of

1778
01:09:33,530 --> 01:09:31,980
his life began to emerge

1779
01:09:35,510 --> 01:09:33,540
one of the biggest turning points for

1780
01:09:37,189 --> 01:09:35,520
Tyler was witnessing the death of his

1781
01:09:39,590 --> 01:09:37,199
dear friend and colleague the beautiful

1782
01:09:42,890 --> 01:09:39,600
astronaut Judith Resnick in the

1783
01:09:44,510 --> 01:09:42,900
Challenger explosion in 1986. although

1784
01:09:46,189 --> 01:09:44,520
many others who were gathered to watch

1785
01:09:48,709 --> 01:09:46,199
the launch were initially in denial

1786
01:09:50,450 --> 01:09:48,719
about what happened Tyler said that he

1787
01:09:53,269 --> 01:09:50,460
immediately knew that his friend was

1788
01:09:55,669 --> 01:09:53,279
gone and experienced immense grief

1789
01:09:58,970 --> 01:09:55,679
distraught by the loss Tyler found

1790
01:10:00,410 --> 01:09:58,980
comfort in Carl Sagan's book Cosmos he

1791
01:10:02,630 --> 01:10:00,420
found himself thinking more and more

1792
01:10:05,090 --> 01:10:02,640
deeply about technology that he believed

1793
01:10:07,070 --> 01:10:05,100
to be just over the horizon that would

1794
01:10:09,650 --> 01:10:07,080
far exceed that of the space shuttles

1795
01:10:10,729 --> 01:10:09,660
and allow humans to truly venture to the

1796
01:10:13,250 --> 01:10:10,739
Stars

1797
01:10:15,410 --> 01:10:13,260
despite his new Fascination he knew that

1798
01:10:17,150 --> 01:10:15,420
he needed to leave the space program the

1799
01:10:18,950 --> 01:10:17,160
trauma of the incident seemed to be too

1800
01:10:21,229 --> 01:10:18,960
much and Tyler felt that it was time to

1801
01:10:22,910 --> 01:10:21,239
move on as he was considering this at

1802
01:10:24,649 --> 01:10:22,920
work one day a general came into his

1803
01:10:26,209 --> 01:10:24,659
office requesting proposals for

1804
01:10:27,890 --> 01:10:26,219
experiments that would be run on the

1805
01:10:30,350 --> 01:10:27,900
space shuttle Columbia

1806
01:10:32,390 --> 01:10:30,360
as this General was speaking Tyler

1807
01:10:34,310 --> 01:10:32,400
suddenly had what he called a memory

1808
01:10:37,070 --> 01:10:34,320
about this experiment that had not yet

1809
01:10:39,169 --> 01:10:37,080
been performed and somehow he knew that

1810
01:10:41,570 --> 01:10:39,179
if it was performed that this experiment

1811
01:10:44,030 --> 01:10:41,580
would work the experiment was to test

1812
01:10:46,490 --> 01:10:44,040
whether or not a non-charged material

1813
01:10:48,530 --> 01:10:46,500
could speak with a Charged material and

1814
01:10:50,450 --> 01:10:48,540
he could only be tested in space

1815
01:10:52,070 --> 01:10:50,460
it took some convincing and getting a

1816
01:10:53,870 --> 01:10:52,080
professor to sign on to the experiment

1817
01:10:55,610 --> 01:10:53,880
for Tyler to convince the general that

1818
01:10:58,189 --> 01:10:55,620
it should be done because Tyler didn't

1819
01:10:59,870 --> 01:10:58,199
have a PhD but the experiment was

1820
01:11:02,390 --> 01:10:59,880
eventually performed on the space

1821
01:11:04,850 --> 01:11:02,400
shuttle and it went exactly as Tyler had

1822
01:11:06,350 --> 01:11:04,860
anticipated a few days after the

1823
01:11:08,990 --> 01:11:06,360
experiment Tyler was called to

1824
01:11:12,110 --> 01:11:09,000
Washington DC he thought to receive an

1825
01:11:14,209 --> 01:11:12,120
award but instead he was interrogated by

1826
01:11:16,729 --> 01:11:14,219
a two-star general who demanded to know

1827
01:11:18,830 --> 01:11:16,739
where he got the idea for the experiment

1828
01:11:20,870 --> 01:11:18,840
Tyler had to tell him the truth that it

1829
01:11:23,450 --> 01:11:20,880
was a memory the general eventually

1830
01:11:25,250 --> 01:11:23,460
believed him recognizing both the

1831
01:11:27,350 --> 01:11:25,260
business potential and the potential to

1832
01:11:28,610 --> 01:11:27,360
do good that was presented by his new

1833
01:11:30,830 --> 01:11:28,620
memories

1834
01:11:33,050 --> 01:11:30,840
Tyler started a new company with a few

1835
01:11:35,149 --> 01:11:33,060
of his associates pursuing biomedical

1836
01:11:36,950 --> 01:11:35,159
applications for the ideas that came to

1837
01:11:39,050 --> 01:11:36,960
him through this new gift

1838
01:11:41,450 --> 01:11:39,060
he was quickly churning out new patents

1839
01:11:43,430 --> 01:11:41,460
and sold his first biomedical company to

1840
01:11:45,350 --> 01:11:43,440
a public corporation for an undisclosed

1841
01:11:46,970 --> 01:11:45,360
amount of money but enough that he could

1842
01:11:49,310 --> 01:11:46,980
have easily retired

1843
01:11:51,050 --> 01:11:49,320
it was then that a combination of fate

1844
01:11:53,630 --> 01:11:51,060
and boredom led him back to the space

1845
01:11:55,250 --> 01:11:53,640
program but this time it was a very

1846
01:11:57,410 --> 01:11:55,260
different scenario

1847
01:11:59,330 --> 01:11:57,420
by this time Tyler had come to believe

1848
01:12:01,310 --> 01:11:59,340
that he was connected to a source that

1849
01:12:03,530 --> 01:12:01,320
was part of an off-planet intelligence

1850
01:12:05,090 --> 01:12:03,540
and had been since shortly after the

1851
01:12:07,370 --> 01:12:05,100
Challenger explosion

1852
01:12:09,290 --> 01:12:07,380
it was to this non-human intelligence

1853
01:12:11,750 --> 01:12:09,300
that he attributed the success of his

1854
01:12:14,390 --> 01:12:11,760
company and he maintained a strict set

1855
01:12:15,770 --> 01:12:14,400
of protocols to help facilitate ongoing

1856
01:12:18,110 --> 01:12:15,780
communication

1857
01:12:20,090 --> 01:12:18,120
once back in the program Tyler told

1858
01:12:22,430 --> 01:12:20,100
Diana that he believed that he was

1859
01:12:24,410 --> 01:12:22,440
intentionally exposed to something that

1860
01:12:26,330 --> 01:12:24,420
Zapped him with energy and somehow used

1861
01:12:28,970 --> 01:12:26,340
frequencies to change the way that he

1862
01:12:30,350 --> 01:12:28,980
thought whatever it was it seemed to

1863
01:12:33,229 --> 01:12:30,360
increase his ability to access

1864
01:12:35,570 --> 01:12:33,239
information from this intelligence

1865
01:12:37,430 --> 01:12:35,580
he couldn't go into many details but he

1866
01:12:39,350 --> 01:12:37,440
claimed that in his work he was often

1867
01:12:41,570 --> 01:12:39,360
interfacing directly with the phenomenon

1868
01:12:43,729 --> 01:12:41,580
he said that he didn't know who chose

1869
01:12:45,649 --> 01:12:43,739
him for these strange jobs that his own

1870
01:12:48,830 --> 01:12:45,659
boss didn't even really know what he did

1871
01:12:51,050 --> 01:12:48,840
and that he suspected that they as in

1872
01:12:53,630 --> 01:12:51,060
the off-world intelligence Were Somehow

1873
01:12:56,330 --> 01:12:53,640
involved in directing his activities

1874
01:12:59,450 --> 01:12:56,340
and yes it would be easy to write off

1875
01:13:01,250 --> 01:12:59,460
Tyler as crazy a man driven to some kind

1876
01:13:02,090 --> 01:13:01,260
of a psychotic break by a traumatic

1877
01:13:04,970 --> 01:13:02,100
event

1878
01:13:07,070 --> 01:13:04,980
except for the patents the technology

1879
01:13:10,070 --> 01:13:07,080
that Tyler claims to channel is

1880
01:13:12,350 --> 01:13:10,080
strikingly futuristic one example Diana

1881
01:13:14,090 --> 01:13:12,360
gives in the book is of a material that

1882
01:13:16,910 --> 01:13:14,100
has been etched at the molecular level

1883
01:13:18,709 --> 01:13:16,920
with information the etching codes the

1884
01:13:21,770 --> 01:13:18,719
material with information that human

1885
01:13:23,930 --> 01:13:21,780
bone reads as itself it is then

1886
01:13:26,030 --> 01:13:23,940
incorporated into disease tissue and

1887
01:13:28,610 --> 01:13:26,040
Bone which helps the body recuperate

1888
01:13:31,189 --> 01:13:28,620
from cancer and other illnesses

1889
01:13:33,229 --> 01:13:31,199
and if the story ended right there it

1890
01:13:35,149 --> 01:13:33,239
would be a stunning Tale But it's what

1891
01:13:36,950 --> 01:13:35,159
happens to Tyler at the end of American

1892
01:13:39,470 --> 01:13:36,960
Cosmic that is perhaps the most

1893
01:13:41,030 --> 01:13:39,480
compelling part of his story but if you

1894
01:13:42,770 --> 01:13:41,040
want to hear more about that you'll have

1895
01:13:44,630 --> 01:13:42,780
to read the book you can find the link

1896
01:13:47,149 --> 01:13:44,640
in the episode description

1897
01:13:48,890 --> 01:13:47,159
I do however want to Circle back quickly

1898
01:13:50,870 --> 01:13:48,900
to talk about the protocols that I

1899
01:13:52,550 --> 01:13:50,880
mentioned which Tyler uses that he

1900
01:13:53,930 --> 01:13:52,560
believes helps to facilitate his

1901
01:13:56,570 --> 01:13:53,940
communication with the off-world

1902
01:13:58,430 --> 01:13:56,580
intelligences that guide his work these

1903
01:14:00,350 --> 01:13:58,440
Protocols are both cognitive and

1904
01:14:02,209 --> 01:14:00,360
physiological in nature and they are a

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part of his everyday practice

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one of the most important of these is

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sleep Tyler had participated in studies

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about astronauts and sleep and he used

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that information to inform his protocols

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Tyler makes a point of getting a lot of

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sleep specifically he sleeps for eight

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hours wakes up and then goes back to

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sleep for one more hour when he wakes up

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he gets a big glass of water and goes

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outside to drink it in the sun sun is

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also very important to Tyler Because he

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believes it recharges his cells he tends

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to spend most of his work day working

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outside on his porch in the Sun

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Tyler is also meticulous about

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maintaining a rigorous schedule of

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exercise including intense yoga he eats

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very clean he doesn't watch television

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and he avoids caffeine and alcohol

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I was lucky enough to take a couple of

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classes over the summer from Dr pasulka

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and it's clear that she is fascinated

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with these protocols and I can see why

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with her background in religious studies

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she was able to quickly identify a

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pattern that other people might have

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missed

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specifically she saw the profound

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similarities between these sorts of

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protocols and the devotions practiced by

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members of certain religious orders

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but she also recognized through her

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encounters with James and Tyler that

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these same practices are used by

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communities of what she referred to as

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extremely effective people across a wide

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variety of fields and disciplines

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these communities include Elite military

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and Special Forces certain members of

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the Vatican who occupy special positions

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extremely creative types like artists

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and musicians as well as top scientists

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like James and Tyler who claim to

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download information from outside

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intelligences

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and all of this is fascinating because

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like all of the other stories we've

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explored today it implies not only that

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it might be possible for humans to

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access and communicate with a non-local

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non-human intelligence

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but it suggests that it's a skill that

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one might be able to cultivate it's

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something that you can learn how to do

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and then get better at and that's

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exciting

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so where does all of this leave us will

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for one it leaves us with a lot of

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questions are scientists on the bleeding

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edge of technological innovation really

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communicating with and being Guided by

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off-world intelligences and if so what

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is the mechanism by which this happens

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and who are they and what are their

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motivations for helping us in this

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manner and if these people aren't really

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communicating with off-world

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intelligences then what exactly is going

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on here what are these phenomena that

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they are experiencing that seem to be so

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closely tied to their scientific output

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are they accessing something like

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Young's Collective unconscious is this

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simply some built-in feature of

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Consciousness meant to trigger our

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continued forward progress

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what this line of questioning leads us

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to like so much else in the realm of

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UFOs and high strangeness is the

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unsettling realization that something

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about our fundamental models of reality

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must be wrong when so many supposedly

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impossible things are happening to

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otherwise intelligent rational credible

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human beings at what point do we finally

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need to concede that the models that we

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use to judge what is possible must be

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wrong

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I'd argue that we're there and that

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we've been there for a while and some of

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the top Minds in the field of physics

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and Consciousness are already working on

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new models of reality that might make

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room for and explain the impossible

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things that happen every day

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and that's what we'll be discussing in

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the next regular episode but before that

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in the next week or so I'll be releasing

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an in-depth interview with none other

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than Dr Diana Walsh fisulka for a deeper

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dive into this topic and her work I

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can't wait to share that with you

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